[gelöst] (Latin )Help translating wedding entry and baptism entry from 1741/1750

[milutinus123]

Quelle bzw. Art des Textes: Wedding entry and baptism entry
Jahr, aus dem der Text stammt: 1741 and 1750
Ort/Gegend der Text-Herkunft: Stangau (Stankov) in West bohemia
Namen um die es sich handeln sollte: Simon Gruber and Casparus Gruber

Hello!

I need help translating two entries:

Link: https://imgur.com/a/qlzyzvv

1: Wedding entry of Simon Gruber. Is his wife mentioned here? What does it say to the side of the text?

2: Baptism entry of Casparus Gruber.. Is it safe to say that his mother is Anna? And his father Simone from the wedding entry above??

Im trying to connect this Casparus to the one from this thread: https://forum.ahnenforschung.net/sho...d.php?t=186318

Thanks in advance!

Milutinus

[Astrodoc]

Link zum Taufeintrag

Meine Lesung:

Ex Oppido Stank.(ov)
D.(ie) 5 hujus* Idem** bapt.(izavit) infantem hac die natum ex Leg.(itimos) & Chodish...(?)
Subd.(itos) Conj.(ugibus) P.(atre) Simone Gruber & M.(atre) Anna cui n(ome)n e(st) Joannes Casparus
Lev.(ans): Joannes Georgius Khorl ex Oppido. Test.(es): Joannes Tesarz Srbitio
& Anna Seglin Semetitio



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* Januarij 1750
** Joannes Zacharias Steinbach, loci curatus

[Huber Benedikt]

Hi
1) Strange ! The name of the bride is not mentioned !!
The text aside is in german: "Braut nicht anfgeführt" = Bride not mentioned.

2) The mother´s name is Anna
Simon Gruber is the same name as in the wedding above.(Johann Kaspar´s father)
I don´t know if it is the same person.

[Astrodoc]

Hallo!

Muss nebenbei noch eine Online-Fortbildung besuchen

Link zum Heiratseintrag

Ex Oppido Stank(ov)
Eodem observatis o(mn)ibus supradictis Idem n(omi)ne meo Parochianos meos
Simonem Gruber viduum ex Oppido Stank in parochiali Eccl(es)ia S.(ancti) Jacobi Maj.(oris)
interrogavit & habito eorum consensu mutuo solemniter per verba
de praesenti matrimonio junxit, coram test.(ibus) Joanne Printze, Andrea Gru-
ber & Salomena Pawlikin omn.(es) ex Oppido Stank.

Randbemerkung: "Braut nicht angeführt"


P.S. Ich seh schon, der Huber Benedikt übernimmt die Tränsläjschn Latein-Englisch

[milutinus123]

Thank you both!

I did google translate from latin to english and it mentions ...Simon Gruber, a widower... Am i correct?

[Huber Benedikt]

Yep he´s widower

Would you like to have a complete translation (w´out gugl ) ?

[Astrodoc]

I think that will be necessary, won't it?

[Huber Benedikt]

Wennst moast Doc.....


From the village of Stankov
The same date observing everything said above (= the necessary requirements)
I, the same priest (as above), joined in marriage the members of my parish,
Simon Gruber a widower from the village of Stankov (& ....bride missing)
in the parish church of Saint Jacob the Elder,
asking them and receiving their consistent agreement
they where solemnly married by words of present assent in front of the
witnesses J.P, A.G. and S.P. all of them inhabitants of the
village of Stankov.

[Astrodoc]

Baptismal record:

From the village of Stankov
On day 5 of the same (month = January 1750) the same (Johann Zacharias Steinbach, curate of the village) has baptised a child born on this day of legitimate & to the Chodish.... dynasty/dominion
subservient spouses, the father Simon Gruber & the mother Anna, whose name is Johann Caspar.
Godfather: Johann Georg Khorl from the village. Witnesses: Johann Tesarz from Srbitz (here) & Anna Seglin from Semititz (here?).

[Huber Benedikt]

Untertanen von Chotěšov (deutsch Chotieschau)
subjects of Chotěšov (domination)

[milutinus123]

Wow! Thank you both for the translation!

I looked a little more, and found this wedding entry of Simon Gruber in 1726, since it was mentioned that he was a widower i suspected that he had to have been married before.

https://imgur.com/a/BcwoNou or https://www.portafontium.eu/iipimage...47&w=386&h=218

Is he mentioned as ''son of Nicolai Gruber'' ?

[Huber Benedikt]

...he was a widower i suspected that he had to have been married before.
That is THE sign of a widower to have been married before

Simon Gruber´s father is Nicolai Gruber (still dead)
Bride: Ursula Kohout(ova) daughter of Johann Kohout (still dead)

[milutinus123]

...he was a widower i suspected that he had to have been married before.
That is THE characteristic sign of a widower to have been married before


Simon Gruber´s father is Nikolai Gruber (still dead)

Haha, I meant that his previous wedding entry is probably in the same book.. my bad!

Does it mention his wife there? Name? Parents?

[Huber Benedikt]

have a look above....I often correct, add or change my statements
No mother mentioned on both sides

[milutinus123]

have a look above....I often correct, add or change my statements
No mother mentioned on both sides

Thank you Huber Benedikt!

I think i found Simon Grubers baptism entry:

https://www.portafontium.eu/iipimage...49&w=451&h=239 (first one on the right side). Can you help decipher it?

Thank you!