[gelöst] Translation of the bitrh record and comparing, 1707

[Kranes]

Quelle bzw. Art des Textes: Parish record
Jahr, aus dem der Text stammt: 1707
Ort und Gegend der Text-Herkunft: Crainfeld

Do I understand correctly, in both documents we are talking about the same married couple?

In one case they are written as Paul Klippert and Susanna, and in the second case Johann Paul Klippert, right? As far as I understood from the forum posts, the second name is more important than the first, so they could write with the second name.

I also can't make out the child's name in the first entry: Susanna Philippine? I also don't understand why so many names are written in the godparents column, can someone tell me? Thank you very much.

[debert]

Can you add a link or an image of the whole page, so that one can see what coloums are about?


Here there is only 1 ducument attached. Looks to me like a birth entry.
nata - birth
renata - baptize
father: Johann Franz Klippert
child: Susanna
mother: Anna Susanna Maria +9.1.1791
Godparents: often 3 different persons and their relation - meaning to a womans name the name of the husband was added (uxor = wife)


sorry - I missed the 2nd page

[debert]

child: susanna Philippina

born 30th october
baptised ? November
Father: ? Klipper, Schäfer (sheperd)
Mother: Susanna

[Kranes]

Thank you Debert for translating!

Still dont understand the name of father of Susanna Philipinna, the 2nd record.
And if anyone can read the godparents list on 2nd record, it would be great

[Anna Sara Weingart]

hi

1) Johann Paul Klippert

and

2) Paulus Klippert


His name is NOT Johann Franz

[Anna Sara Weingart]

... And if anyone can read the godparents list on 2nd record, it would be great

It's not a list, but just one person

Godmother:

Susanna Philippina Friederich Wilhelm Köhl... Pastoris Adjuncti Töchterlein, an deren Stelle, weil sie noch Minorennie, Frau Susanna Herrn Paul ... Schultheisen Hausfrau des ....


Because Susanna Philippina is a minor, she is represented by Mrs. Susanna

[Kranes]

Thank you so much! I can read better now! So if i understand right, in both records are same parents? Susanna and Johann Paul?

[Anna Sara Weingart]

Yes

[Kranes]

Maybe do you know what is the meaning of numbers (+9.1.1791) near Anna Susanna Maria? The year of record of 1716.

[Gastonian]

Hi:


This is a later notation next to the baptismal record indicating that she died 9 January 1791. When someone died in the parish, the minister often went back to the baptismal record to indicate the death-date there.

[Kranes]

Thank you all once more!