Wilhelm Schneider aus Niedermittlau

[Alextoddenberg]

Hello, Can anyone look at the birth record supposedly 1767 Wilhelm Schneider, his father Heinrich Schneider aus Niedermittlau. It is known that Wilhelm Schneider married Elizabeth Wagner on February 14, 1700.
And also the marriage record of Heinrich Schneider.
Also managed to find out the following information about Schneider aus Niedermittlau:
Heinrich Schneider 1615-07.05.1699 and ?
kind:
Johannes 1632-30.12.1705 and Gertrude Hix ? -20.01.1695 (born 25.02.1667) kind:
Anna Elisabetha Margaretha 02.1672-26.02.1732
Andreas 07.07.1680-07.07.1759 and Anna Maria Keßler 1677-12.04.1757 (born 07.02.1708)
kind:
Johann Heinrich 26.02.1709-23.01.1773
I assume that Wilhelm Schneider is most likely the grandson of Heinrich Schneider 1615-07.05.1699.

https://www.archion.de/de/alle-archive/hessen/landeskirchliches-archiv-der-evangelischen-kirche-von-kurhessen-waldeck/kirchenkreis-gelnhausen/niedermittlau/170351 1658-1682

https://www.archion.de/de/alle-archive/hessen/landeskirchliches-archiv-der-evangelischen-kirche-von-kurhessen-waldeck/kirchenkreis-gelnhausen/niedermittlau/170348 1576-1641


Unfortunately I can't look at Archion myself - I don't have access because I'm from Russia.
I would be very grateful for your help.

[bückerfamily]

Hello, Can anyone look at the birth record supposedly 1767 Wilhelm Schneider, his father Heinrich Schneider aus Niedermittlau. It is known that Wilhelm Schneider married Elizabeth Wagner on February 14, 1700.
And also the marriage record of Heinrich Schneider.
Also managed to find out the following information about Schneider aus Niedermittlau:
Heinrich Schneider 1615-07.05.1699 and ?
kind:
Johannes 1632-30.12.1705 and Gertrude Hix ? -20.01.1695 (born 25.02.1667) kind:
Anna Elisabetha Margaretha 02.1672-26.02.1732
Andreas 07.07.1680-07.07.1759 and Anna Maria Keßler 1677-12.04.1757 (born 07.02.1708)
kind:
Johann Heinrich 26.02.1709-23.01.1773
I assume that Wilhelm Schneider is most likely the grandson of Heinrich Schneider 1615-07.05.1699.

https://www.archion.de/de/alle-archive/hessen/landeskirchliches-archiv-der-evangelischen-kirche-von-kurhessen-waldeck/kirchenkreis-gelnhausen/niedermittlau/170351 1658-1682

https://www.archion.de/de/alle-archive/hessen/landeskirchliches-archiv-der-evangelischen-kirche-von-kurhessen-waldeck/kirchenkreis-gelnhausen/niedermittlau/170348 1576-1641


Unfortunately I can't look at Archion myself - I don't have access because I'm from Russia.
I would be very grateful for your help.

Hello,

I guess Johannes Schneider (*1632) is probably not a son of Heinrich (born around 1615) or Heinrich has to be born earlier. Unfortunately there are some years missing in the church book of Niedermittlau due to the 30 years war.

I found a common child of a Heinrich Schneider and wife Margaretha NN named Elisabeth baptized on Dominica 14. Trinitatis anno 1659. So I guess that Heinrich married before 1659 (gap). The first marriage is registered in November of 1659. I couldn't find a Wilhelm Schneider in the baptismal records between 1659 and 1682. Maybe the aforementioned Heinrich Schneider is a different Heinrich Schneider. Probably another son of the Heinrich Schneider senior.

And there is another inconsistency. Johannes Schneider died before 1678, because Gertrude Hix remarried on 17.04.1678 in Niedermittlau with Michael Gerstenberger. Gertrude Hix and Michael Gerstenberger are my 9x great-grandparents.

I couldn't find a baptismal entry for Andreas Schneider on 07.07.1680 in Niedermittlau. (the father must have died before 1678, as I already mentioned)
The baptismal record for Anna Margaretha Schneider on 07.02.1672 shows Johannes Schneider as the father.

The church records were not kept properly at that time, which may explain why the baptism entry for Wilhelm Schneider and the burial entry for Johannes Schneider cannot be found.

I hope that will help you.

Greetings
Chris

[bückerfamily]

I found a burial record of a Wilhelm Schneider died on 29.06.1735 and burried 30.06.1735 in Niedermittlau. He died in the age of 80 years. That means he is born around 1656. The baptismal records for 1656 are lost. I guess this is the reason why we couldn't find his baptismal record.

And I guess that the aforementioned girl Elisabeth Schneider, daughter of Heinrich Schneider baptized in 1659 is the last child of Heinrich Schneider and Margaretha NN. So there should be no more Heinrich Schneiders than the one who is born around 1615 (I guess earlier).

For your information: On 12.09.1736 dies a Hans Schneider in the age of 78 (born around 1654) in Niedermittlau. According to the marginal note, he is also a son of the late Heinrich Schneider.

So we have now:

~1632 Hans Schneider (the elder)
1654 Hans Schneider
1656 Wilhelm Schneider
1659 Elisabeth Schneider

All kids of Heinrich Schneider.

Greetings
Chris

[Alextoddenberg]

Hello,

I guess Johannes Schneider (*1632) is probably not a son of Heinrich (born around 1615) or Heinrich has to be born earlier. Unfortunately there are some years missing in the church book of Niedermittlau due to the 30 years war.

I found a common child of a Heinrich Schneider and wife Margaretha NN named Elisabeth baptized on Dominica 14. Trinitatis anno 1659. So I guess that Heinrich married before 1659 (gap). The first marriage is registered in November of 1659. I couldn't find a Wilhelm Schneider in the baptismal records between 1659 and 1682. Maybe the aforementioned Heinrich Schneider is a different Heinrich Schneider. Probably another son of the Heinrich Schneider senior.

And there is another inconsistency. Johannes Schneider died before 1678, because Gertrude Hix remarried on 17.04.1678 in Niedermittlau with Michael Gerstenberger. Gertrude Hix and Michael Gerstenberger are my 9x great-grandparents.

I couldn't find a baptismal entry for Andreas Schneider on 07.07.1680 in Niedermittlau. (the father must have died before 1678, as I already mentioned)
The baptismal record for Anna Margaretha Schneider on 07.02.1672 shows Johannes Schneider as the father.

The church records were not kept properly at that time, which may explain why the baptism entry for Wilhelm Schneider and the burial entry for Johannes Schneider cannot be found.

I hope that will help you.

Greetings
Chris

Thank you!

There was a typo in the first message, presumably the year of birth of Wilhelm Schneider was around 1676. But in any, I understood that Wilhelm was not mentioned during those years.

And the death record should indicate the age of the deceased. Maybe there is a record of his death in later Church records? If he got married in 1700, then in 1700 he was already 18 years old. Accordingly, he was born before 1682, on FamilySearch it is indicated 1676 (Where the year was taken from is unknown). Since the record of Wilhelm's birth apparently has not survived. If you have time, can you look at the record of Wilhelm's death in later Church books? If you find out the age at the time of death, then you can find out the exact year of birth. It is also known that he had a son, Johann Heinrich, born March 12, 1701 (my 8th great-grandfather). Johann Heinrich would later marry the widow Susanna Engel in 1739. In 1772 they would leave for Russia with their children.

https://www.archion.de/de/alle-archive/hessen/landeskirchliches-archiv-der-evangelischen-kirche-von-kurhessen-waldeck/kirchenkreis-gelnhausen/niedermittlau/170354

1683-1700

https://www.archion.de/de/alle-archive/hessen/landeskirchliches-archiv-der-evangelischen-kirche-von-kurhessen-waldeck/kirchenkreis-gelnhausen/niedermittlau/170357

1700-1716

https://www.archion.de/de/alle-archive/hessen/landeskirchliches-archiv-der-evangelischen-kirche-von-kurhessen-waldeck/kirchenkreis-gelnhausen/niedermittlau/170360

1716-1745

https://www.archion.de/de/alle-archive/hessen/landeskirchliches-archiv-der-evangelischen-kirche-von-kurhessen-waldeck/kirchenkreis-gelnhausen/niedermittlau/170363
1729-1745

1746-1802

https://www.archion.de/de/alle-archive/hessen/landeskirchliches-archiv-der-evangelischen-kirche-von-kurhessen-waldeck/kirchenkreis-gelnhausen/niedermittlau/170366

[bückerfamily]

image.pngBurial entry of Anna Elisabetha Schneider, née Wagner.

[Alextoddenberg]

I found a burial record of a Wilhelm Schneider died on 29.06.1735 and burried 30.06.1735 in Niedermittlau. He died in the age of 80 years. That means he is born around 1656. The baptismal records for 1656 are lost. I guess this is the reason why we couldn't find his baptismal record.

And I guess that the aforementioned girl Elisabeth Schneider, daughter of Heinrich Schneider baptized in 1659 is the last child of Heinrich Schneider and Margaretha NN. So there should be no more Heinrich Schneiders than the one who is born around 1615 (I guess earlier).

For your information: On 12.09.1736 dies a Hans Schneider in the age of 78 (born around 1654) in Niedermittlau. According to the marginal note, he is also a son of the late Heinrich Schneider.

So we have now:

1654 Hans Schneider
1656 Wilhelm Schneider
1659 Elisabeth Schneider

All kids of Heinrich Schneider.

Greetings
Chris

Thanks for your help, I didn't notice your message earlier.

[Alextoddenberg]

To sum it up: Heinrich Schneider and Margaretha NN
Their children:
Hans Schneider 1632-?
Hans Schneider 1654-12.06.1736
Wilhelm Schneider 1656-29.06.1735
Elisabetha Schneider 1659-?

Wilhelm Schneider [1656-12.06.1735] and Anna Elisabetha Wagner (daughter of Hans Wilhelm Wagner) [24.02.1678-21.04.1749] married 14.02.1700

Their son Johann Heinrich Schneider [12.03.1701-]

It turns out that Wilhelm Schneider is 22 years older than Anna Elisabetha Wagner, but this is his first marriage, since the marriage record does not indicate that he is a widower.

It turns out that Heinrich Schneider must have been born at least in 1614?

So Heinrich and Margaret got married before 1632? and she must have been born at least in 1616?

[bückerfamily]

Even in that old centuries it was not common to marry underage. IF, I just say IF Hans Schneider (~1632) is a or the first son of Heinrich Schneider and Margaretha NN, than both should have been at least 18-19 years old.

I‘m not sure if it is allowed to post here all entries out of Archion due to copyright law’s. Leave me your email adress in a direct message and I will send all the entries via mail. If that is ok for you.

Sometimes that happend that a couple had a big age difference. But as I told you before I checked all baptism records for Wilhelm Schneider from the beginning of 1658 to 1682.

I tried to find Heinrich Schneiders burial entry as it says in 1699 (when his widow is buried) that she was preceded in death by her husband. But no luck. As I told you before: The church book was not complete during the effects of the 30 years war. Some entries got lost or were forgotten by the pastors.

Greetings
Chris

[Alextoddenberg]

Even in that old centuries it was not common to marry underage. IF, I just say IF Hans Schneider (~1632) is a or the first son of Heinrich Schneider and Margaretha NN, than both should have been at least 18-19 years old.

I‘m not sure if it is allowed to post here all entries out of Archion due to copyright law’s. Leave me your email adress in a direct message and I will send all the entries via mail. If that is ok for you.

Sometimes that happend that a couple had a big age difference. But as I told you before I checked all baptism records for Wilhelm Schneider from the beginning of 1658 to 1682.

I tried to find Heinrich Schneiders burial entry as it says in 1699 (when his widow is buried) that she was preceded in death by her husband. But no luck. As I told you before: The church book was not complete during the effects of the 30 years war. Some entries got lost or were forgotten by the pastors.

Greetings
Chris

I Sent email in direct messages

[bückerfamily]

To sum it up: Heinrich Schneider and Margaretha NN
Their children:
Hans Schneider 1632-?
Hans Schneider 1654-12.06.1736
Wilhelm Schneider 1656-29.06.1735
Elisabetha Schneider 1659-?

Wilhelm Schneider [1656-12.06.1735] and Anna Elisabetha Wagner (daughter of Hans Wilhelm Wagner) [24.02.1678-21.04.1749] married 14.02.1700

Their son Johann Heinrich Schneider [12.03.1701-]

It turns out that Wilhelm Schneider is 22 years older than Anna Elisabetha Wagner, but this is his first marriage, since the marriage record does not indicate that he is a widower.

It turns out that Heinrich Schneider must have been born at least in 1614?

So Heinrich and Margaret got married before 1632? and she must have been born at least in 1616?

In summary:

Hans Schneider 1632-bef. 1678
Hans Schneider 1654-12.06.1736
Wilhelm Schneider 1656-29.06.1735
Elisabetha Schneider 1659-?

Maybe there are more children hiding in the lost pages of the church books. You can only find them through the marriages when their father is mentioned.

If you need anything else, hit me up. It seems that we are related to each other over my 9x great-grandparents.

Greetings
Chris

[Alextoddenberg]

In summary:

Hans Schneider 1632-bef. 1678
Hans Schneider 1654-12.06.1736
Wilhelm Schneider 1656-29.06.1735
Elisabetha Schneider 1659-?

Maybe there are more children hiding in the lost pages of the church books. You can only find them through the marriages when their father is mentioned.

If you need anything else, hit me up. It seems that we are related to each other over my 9x great-grandparents.

Greetings
Chris

Good day,

Can you look for the marriage record of Hans Wilhelm Wagner of Meerholz?
His daughter, Anna Elizabeth, married Wilhelm Schneider on 14.02.1700
The death record you found indicates the date of her baptism as 24.02.1678.

Meerholz belonged to the same district as Niedermittlau, I hope that the marriage record has been preserved.

By the way, I also have the surname Gerstenberger in my family tree. My cousin Catherina married Eugeny Gerstenberger. Perhaps you and her husband are somehow related.

[Alextoddenberg]

On FamilySearch I found the following information: Johann Schneider [?-30.12.1705, Horbach, Freigericht, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen, Germany]
Gertrude NN [? -20. 01.1695, Hasselroth, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen, Germany]
Andreas Schneider [07.07.1680, Freigericht-Horbach, Hesse-Nassau, Germany - 07.07.1759, Horbach, Freigericht, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen, Germany]

And on gedbas.de this family is connected with Schneider from Niedermittlau. I believe that Johann Schneider from Horbach and Johannes Schneider from Niedermittlau were mistakenly taken for one person. This explains why no record of the birth of Andreas Schneider in Niedermittlau was found, and Johannes (Hans) from Niedermittlau could not have been his father, since he most likely died in 1677-1678.

It turns out that Anna Margaretha Schneider 02/07/1672 turns out to be the only known common child of Johannes Schneider and Gertrude Hix. Although in the period from 1672-1677, 5 more children could have been born.
Also on Gedbas.de I found another family from Niedermittlau:
Johannes Konrad Schneider [1620-26.04.1686, Hasselroth-Niedermittlau, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen, Germany]
His wife Ottilia
Their daughter:
Katharina [07.09.1645, Hasselroth-Niedermittlau, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen, Germany - 02.12.1714, Hasselroth-Niedermittlau, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen, Germany]
25.05.1665 she married Georg Heeg, also in Niedermittlau.
I also found this family on FamilySearch, it also says Niedermittlau. It turns out that Niedermittlau is already indicated in two sources.

It is also interesting that Wilhelm Schneider and Anna Elisabeth Wagner had other children besides Johann Heinrich (my 8th great-grandfather), because he was the only one who left for Russia.

[bückerfamily]

Good day,

Can you look for the marriage record of Hans Wilhelm Wagner of Meerholz?
His daughter, Anna Elizabeth, married Wilhelm Schneider on 14.02.1700
The death record you found indicates the date of her baptism as 24.02.1678.

Meerholz belonged to the same district as Niedermittlau, I hope that the marriage record has been preserved.

By the way, I also have the surname Gerstenberger in my family tree. My cousin Catherina married Eugeny Gerstenberger. Perhaps you and her husband are somehow related.

Hello,

I'm so sorry. Your requests got out of my focus.

All male Wagner marriages I found between 1658 and 1700:

(1) Caspar Wagner, son of Wilhelm Wagner neighbor of Meerholz, legitimate son with Elisabetha, Melchior Kleinschmidt, neighbor of Germelsheim (not sure about that village name) on 24.02.1669 in Meerholz

(2) Johann Wilhelm Wagner, Wilhelm Wagner neighbor of Meerholz legitimate son with Anna Christina, daughter of the late Thomas Schmück of Rothenbergen on 28.02.1678 in Meerholz

(3) Johann Georg Wagner (no father given), widower, neighbor of Meerholz with Anna Margaretha, daughter of the late Hans Wilhelm of Rothenbergen on 01.12.1698 in Meerholz

I hope that helps.

Greetings
Chris

[bückerfamily]

On FamilySearch I found the following information: Johann Schneider [?-30.12.1705, Horbach, Freigericht, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen, Germany]
Gertrude NN [? -20. 01.1695, Hasselroth, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen, Germany]
Andreas Schneider [07.07.1680, Freigericht-Horbach, Hesse-Nassau, Germany - 07.07.1759, Horbach, Freigericht, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen, Germany]

And on gedbas.de this family is connected with Schneider from Niedermittlau. I believe that Johann Schneider from Horbach and Johannes Schneider from Niedermittlau were mistakenly taken for one person. This explains why no record of the birth of Andreas Schneider in Niedermittlau was found, and Johannes (Hans) from Niedermittlau could not have been his father, since he most likely died in 1677-1678.

It turns out that Anna Margaretha Schneider 02/07/1672 turns out to be the only known common child of Johannes Schneider and Gertrude Hix. Although in the period from 1672-1677, 5 more children could have been born.
Also on Gedbas.de I found another family from Niedermittlau:
Johannes Konrad Schneider [1620-26.04.1686, Hasselroth-Niedermittlau, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen, Germany]
His wife Ottilia
Their daughter:
Katharina [07.09.1645, Hasselroth-Niedermittlau, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen, Germany - 02.12.1714, Hasselroth-Niedermittlau, Main-Kinzig-Kreis, Hessen, Germany]
25.05.1665 she married Georg Heeg, also in Niedermittlau.
I also found this family on FamilySearch, it also says Niedermittlau. It turns out that Niedermittlau is already indicated in two sources.

It is also interesting that Wilhelm Schneider and Anna Elisabeth Wagner had other children besides Johann Heinrich (my 8th great-grandfather), because he was the only one who left for Russia.

Horbach belonged to the Kurmainz Catholic Region and I saw that information before. Those trees are not correct. Johannes Schneider who married Gertrude Hix was NOT from Horbach. My experience with American genealogy research is often very negative, as Americans do not check the original source and put together their own family tree as they see fit, even if the data is incorrect as a result.

There is another child who is a far relative of mine (not my direct ancestor):

Anna Catharina Schneider
Baptism 11.12.1667 in Niedermittlau
Death: 10.07.1740 in Niedermittlau
Marriage: 28.01.1696 in Niedermittlau with

Johannes Hellmuth
Baptism: 11.03.1668 in Niedermittlau
Death: 06.12.1750 in Niedermittlau

The baptism of the Katharina Schneider on 07.09.1645 in Niedermittlau is correct. But fathers name is given as Hans and mother name given as Margaretha.
The same couple baptises on 30.12.1649 a daughter named Amalia

All kids of Hans Wilhelm Schneider and Anna Elisabeth, née Wagner:

(1) Johann Heinrich *12.03.1701 ~20.03.1701
(2) Catharina Philippina *03.02.1703 ~09.02.1703
(3) Johann Wilhelm *06.08.1705 ~13.08.1705
(4) Johann Georg *14.12.1707 ~18.12.1707
(5) Anna Margaretha *02.03.1710 ~09.03.1710

That seem to be all. Maybe because the father was quite old or let me say it another way: In a good age?

Greetings
Chris

[bückerfamily]

Johann Wilhelm Wagner senior is buried on 25.04.1688 in Meerholz. (no age given)
His widow is Anna Christina NN is buried on 11.03.1693 in Meerholz. (no age given)