[gelöst] Hubsand's birthplace in Marriage - Polish - Dabie 1845

[josemarcosr]

Hi everyone, I understand some things but I'm not sure if what is mentioned is the husband's birthplace and if it is, which is, specifically there is a specific initial capital letter that I don't understand.

Record:

https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/1835334

Dabie 1845
Scan
5/9
Reg 77
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28.12.1845
Place: Grabiszew, Poddebice, Lodzkie.
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Husband:
Henryk Fryderyk Krumbein (Heinrich Friedrich Krumbein)
20 yo.

Occupation: Tkacz? (weaver)

Parents:
-Fryderyk Krumbein (Friedrich Krumbein)
-Dorota Küntopow (Dorothea Kintopp/Kerntopf/Kientop)

The point:
Here comes the husband's birthplace?
"(udem / auch / urdem) z Webnie? w Wielkiem...

• Chięatnie / Chięatwie / Chięztwie / Chięztnie
• Sięatnie / Sięatwie / Sięztwie / Sięztnie
• Fięatnie / Fięatwie / Fięztwie / Fięztnie
• Jięatnie / Jięatwie / Jięztwie / Jięztnie
• Łięatnie / Łięatwie / Łięztwie / Łięztnie

... Poznanskiem "

Is that first letter a Ch, an S, a F, an J or a Ł?

I have searched in several places for places with similar names and I can't find it a "Wielke _ię_t_ie".
I don't know if it's a word with meaning or a place.
Wielkie I understand refers to "big" and is common as a prefix or suffix for place names.
I didn't find anything with "Webnie" either.
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Wife:
Anną Rosina Hillert (Anna Rosine Hiller/Hüller)
21 yo.

Parents:
Christof Hillert (Christoph Hiller)
Chrystyny Strohszer (Christine Strohscher/Strohschein)
From Grabiszew.

Birthplace: Rozniatow.
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I included everything I understand from the document in case anything else needs to be corrected.

Thank you in advance.

[Astrodoc]

Hello!

rodem z Wełnie w Wielkiem Księstwie Poznańskiem


P.S. I thought it might mean the town of Wełna, 40 km north of Poznan. But then it would have to be "z Wełnej" or "z Wełny" (genitive singular feminine).

[josemarcosr]

Excellent Astrodoc, thank you very much.

When I put "Wełnie" in the translator it translates it as "Wool" (I understand that it doesn't add anything to the help but haha).

I found 4 towns with names similar to "Wełnie" in this index -Gilly Maps from SGGEE- of towns in "Südpreussen" which is the most complete index I know that includes villages in the area.
Gilly Map

List:

• Welna BI D3
• Welna BI C1
• Welna Hol. BI C3
• Welner Hol. BI C2

I understand that all of them in Polish would be written with "Ł" instead of "L".

P.S. I thought it might mean the town of Wełna, 40 km north of Poznan. But then it would have to be "z Wełnej" or "z Wełny" (genitive singular feminine).

Yes, I think you're referring to the one close to Rogozno, on the map I passed it would be the one in the section B1 C1.

Given the way "z Wełnie" is worded, what would you expect the place name to be?

Again, thank you Astrodoc.

[Astrodoc]

"Wool" (I understand that it doesn't add anything to the help but haha).

Given the way "z Wełnie" is worded, what would you expect the place name to be?

That's my problem. I can't find the way back to the nominative case. I'm sure Dudas can help here.
Wełen --> z Wełna
Wełno --> z Wełna
Wełna --> z Wełny
Wełni --> z Wełn

Maybe “z Wełny” is the same as “z Wełnie”?

[Dudas]

It says z Welnic [from Welnice] - I think that's what the Germans called Wełnica - like here.

BTW: The first letter is X - Xięstwie [Księstwie].

[josemarcosr]

Perfect Duda, thank you.

Yes, it's on the Gilly Maps list, I was going to put it as a possibility but I discarded it for no apparent reason, it was the 5th option that looked somewhat like the word.

• Welnice B1 D3

Northeast of Gniezno.

I don't think I'd ever seen a capital X, that threw me off, the funny thing is that yesterday I read the word "Księcia" and learned that it was related to a prince but now I didn't deduce it because I didn't know the X.

Thanks again to both.

[Astrodoc]

I'm sure Dudas can help here.

I told you so!

@Dudas: Many thanks! I still read an e at the end of the place name. But with c the grammar makes sense... and that's the most important thing.
By the way: I actually wrote an X, but typed it into Google Translate because of the special Polish characters; it must have been autocorrected, because I had to add the e's in -kiem both times later.