[gelöst] Help - Christening and marriage in Grünwald, 18th century - LATEIN

[Marcio Scheibler]

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Hello, people!!!

I need help to translate the marriage register of Johann Wenzel Jakl (first in the right side):

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20230-32141-17?cc=1804263&wc=M97D-XWH:n269322337

and the christening register of him (first in the right side):

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-20232-1345-81?cc=1804263&wc=M97D-XW4:1444884579

I don't know if is the same Johann Wenzel Jakl in both registers, but the evidences show that it's true. The father name in the marriage register is Caspar, but in the christening register is don't possible to see clearly, but seems Caspar too.

[Xtine]

Hi,

Die 17. Februarij copulati sunt sponsi in facie
Ecclesiae Gablontij ad S. Aunam Honestus Joan-
nes Wenceslaus(groom) legitimus filius(son of) Caspari Jakl
ex Grunwald cum Honesta Anna Maria(bride) legiti-
ma filia (daughter of) Joannis Ulbrich ex Gablontz Subditi par-
vo S Kalenses Praemissis(??) ternis inter missarum
solennia denuntiationibus, quarum prima
fuit Dnica 3. post Epiph. die 27 Januarij,
secunda Dominica Septuages die 3 Februarij
Tertia Duica Sexagesima 10 Feb. erullumus(????) inno-
fuit Jmpedimentum Canonicum. Testes a-
derant Franciscus Winsch ex Gablontz, Ignatius
Benda ex Gablontz, Anna Maria uxor E-
liae Klinger ex Grunwald
Copulati a RP Francisco Feix Capellano

We have to wait for the latin experts, I can't say if there was a dispensation.
The three dates are the banns.

Liebe Lateiner, steht da zwischen der Braut und den Aufgebotsdaten noch was interessantes???



Grunewald den 20ten Juny ist das Kindt zu Morgenstern getauffet
worden Johann Pra... Parens: Caper Jäckel Mater Elisabeth
Child: Johann, Father: Casper Jäckel, Mother: Elisabeth
Levans(godfather) Johann Adam Rößler Sohn aus Jabl.(onz=Gablonz) Testes(witness): Christoffer Pra...
auß Jabl. Hanß Wander von da, Gottfried Fischer von da, Hans Caper
Fleischmann Richter von da, etima Rosina Domincus Hübners Tochter
aus Jabl. Anna Maria, Christian Jäckels Tochter aus Jabl.
Anna Theresia,(wife of) Elias Klingers Ehewürthin von da, Apolonia,
Hanß Jäckels Ehewürthin von da.

[Kögler Konrad]

Die 17. Februarij copulati sunt sponsi in facie
Ecclesiae Gablontij ad S. Annam Honestus Joan-
nes Wenceslaus(groom) legitimus filius(son of) Caspari Jakl
ex Grunwald cum Honesta Anna Maria(bride) legiti-
ma filia (daughter of) Joannis Ulbrich ex Gablontz Subditi par-
vo S Kalenses Praemissis ternis inter missarum
solennia denuntiationibus, quarum prima
fuit Dnica 3. post Epiph. die 27 Januarij,
secunda Dominica Septuagesima die 3 Februarij
Tertia Duica Sexagesima 10 Feb. nullumque inno-
tuit impedimentum (und es wurde kein Hindernis bekannt)


Gruß Konrad

[Xtine]

Danke Konrad,



nullumque inno-
tuit impedimentum (und es wurde kein Hindernis bekannt)
(there was no impediment/obstacle, no dispensation)

[Marcio Scheibler]

Hello, Christine!!!

I did not understand one thing: in the christening register, the father name of Elisabeth is Johann Adam Rößler, from Gablonz?

[Xtine]

No, the surname of Elisabeth is not indicatet and there are no parents of her.

I looked again at the entry and found a "," between Johann and Adam.
So the godfather Johann is the son of Adam Rößler, he(Johann) is from Gablonz. It does not appear if they were relatet to Elisabeth.

[Marcio Scheibler]

Sorry, I confused "godfather" with "grandfather"

Thanks, Christine!!!

No, the surname of Elisabeth is not indicatet and there are no parents of her.

I looked again at the entry and found a "," between Johann and Adam.
So the godfather Johann is the son of Adam Rößler, he(Johann) is from Gablonz. It does not appear if they were relatet to Elisabeth.

[Xtine]

Sometimes the grandfather was a god