[gelöst] 1662 Künzelsau Heirat

[Gary]

Hi

Could someone please decypher this marriage entry from the 1662 Künzelsau parish register. I think it says:

Johann Schmezer, Friedrich Schmezer ------ ----- ehl sohn ----- Barbara, Michel ------, alhir ?

Thanks Gary

[henrywilh]

What I see (better wait for more opinions):

Johannes Schmü[?]zer, Hein-
rich Schmüzers Gerichts verw.[?andter]
ehl. Sohn, mit
Barbara, Michel
Mstr.[?Meister][or dochter?], allhir

[Kögler Konrad]

ich meine

Dochter, allhir

Gruß Konrad

[henrywilh]

yes, dochter makes really sense.

[rigrü]

Inwiefern ergibt "Dochter" in diesem Eintrag einen Sinn?

rigrü

[henrywilh]

Inwiefern ergibt "Dochter" in diesem Eintrag einen Sinn?rigrü

Trag doch besser etwas Konstruktives bei!

[rigrü]

Was soll denn diese recht gereizt daherkommende Anwort? Ich frage deshalb nach dem Sinn des Eintrags, weil ich ihn nicht verstehe, und wundere mich, dass ihr das anders seht. Fehlt da am Ende nicht ein Nachname oder zumindest ein Genitiv oder wie genau ist das Verhältnis zwischen Barbara und Michel zu verstehen? "Barbara, Michel Dochter" ergibt für mich so keinen rechten Sinn.

rigrü

[henrywilh]

Ja, deine Frage ist berechtigt.
Möglicherweise steht darunter noch etwas, das hier abgeschnitten ist.

[Gary]

As this is a marriage entry I am wondering if Michel is Barbara's father and the word which looks like ?dochter? is maybe a surname and not a relationship status??

[rigrü]

Gary,

either way something seems to be missing. Are you sure the record ends after “allhir”? Also there is no genitive “s” in the latter part of the record as opposed to the husband’s part at the beginning. Without any further information the only thing that’s certain is that the wife’s name is Barbara. It could be useful to compare with some other records, so if you have any, post them

rigrü

[Gary]

Hi
I have the original photo with what seems to be another marriage underneath. I'm not sure how to attach again so I'll start a new post.

[Gary]

1662 Künzelsau Heirat no.2

(continued from other post)
Hi
Here is the original photo showing another marriage which seems to be same surname.
Thanks

[rigrü]

Seems like the pastor didn't remember the surname of Barbara's father so he omitted it in the first place and forgot to add it later...

rigrü

[Xtine]

Hello Gary,

I put them together

But to add an attachment is always the same. Look here: Upload English.pdf

I read:

d. 27 ten
Johannes Schmüzer, Heinr-
ich Schmüzers Gerichts ......
ehl. Sohn, mit
Barbara Michel
Dochter allhir
2.
Johann Conradt(??) Schmützer, Ehe(??)
Michel Schmüzers S. ...........
.......... Schultheißen ehel. Sohn
mit
Susanna ... Christoph K...-
mers. ehl. Dochter, beide


I'm sorry, I can't read everything.
I think there is still something missing at the end. But it seems that it was a double wedding, maybe two brothers?

[rigrü]

. But it seems that it was a double wedding, maybe two brothers?

Two brothers with different fathers?