[gelöst] Translation the birth record, 1678

[Kranes]

Quelle bzw. Art des Textes: Parish record
Jahr, aus dem der Text stammt: 1678
Ort und Gegend der Text-Herkunft: Crainfeld

Good day, there are two entries in this document.

Parents Johannes Klippert and Elisabeth, children Catharina and Anna Catharina. But I can't read the godfather's name and place exactly. Johannes .... from where?

[assi.d]

Catharina:
"Catharina, Johann
Klipperts, Schäfers
Stockhausen hausfrau"

Anna Catharina:
"Johannes Klipperts,
Schäfers zu Eysen(bach)...
fraue Catharina"

Astrid

[Kranes]

Do I understand correctly that godparents are married couples of another Klippert family? Are they different people from different settlements, or are they the same? Or is it impossible to say this?

[debert]

godparents are usually 1 Person, but with naming/writing their relation, profession and origin.
Here the 1st named person gives the name:
Catharina, the wife of the sheperd Johann Klippert, living/working in Stockhausen. Could be that they are related. Not uncommon. Therefore it is helpful to look at the goodparents, because sometimes one can find additional information about the family.

Do I understand correctly that godparents are married couples of another Klippert family? Are they different people from different settlements, or are they the same? Or is it impossible to say this?

[Kranes]

Oh, so on these two documents the same godparent, Catharina, daughter of Johannes?
But in first one she is from Stockhausen, the second is Eyzenbach

[Anna Sara Weingart]

It's his wife, not his daughter.

It seems, that they have moved to an other village.

[Gastonian]

Hi:


In the first record the godmother is Catharina, wife of shepherd Johannes Klippert of Stockhausen.


In the second record the godmother is Catharina, wife of shepherd Johannes Klippert of Eyzenbach.


It is possible that this is the same Catharina, and they have simply moved from Stockhausen to Eisenbach (about 25 km away). But it is also possible that they were two separate (but related) couples who simply happened to have the same names (Johannes and Catharina are very popular first names). It is impossible to tell this from these two records alone.


Regards


--Carl-Henry

[Kranes]

Ok, I will serch more, thanks!

[Anna Sara Weingart]

It is typical for shepherd families to move around long distances.