[gelöst] Konsulatsmatrikel

[slocal]

Quelle bzw. Art des Textes: Konsulatsmatrikel
Jahr, aus dem der Text stammt: 1910
Ort und Gegend der Text-Herkunft: Deutsch konsultiert in Odessa
Namen um die es sich handeln sollte: Johann Schroter

Hallo,

Bitte übersetzen Sie den Text vom Deutschen ins Englische. Danke vielmals.

[Gastonian]

Hi slocal:


Something like this:


Imperial German General Consulate in Odessa.

That presenter of this document, the German imperial subject and bookkeeper Johann Schröter, born 28 January 1885 in Margenau, Taurida Governate [formal name for Crimea in the Russian Empire], on the basis of an examination has been entered into the register (Matrikel) of the Imperial German General Consulate in Odessa, is herewith certified with the required signature and accompanying official seal.

Odessa, 15 March 1910

The Imperial German General Consul [signature, seal]




Regards


--Carl-Henry

[slocal]

thanks! would you mind transcribing the exact German word/words used to say "German imperial subject"? I can't decipher the hand writing. much appreciated

[Gastonian]

Hi:


It says "Reichsangehöriger". In today's parlance, "Staatsangehöriger" means someone who has the nationality of a state, thus, "deutscher Staatsangehöriger" is someone with German nationality (i.e., a German citizen), and we are both trying to obtain "deutsche Staatsangehörigkeit".



In the law as it existed before World War I, Germans were citizens of their individual states rather than of the German Empire (as if you were a citizen of California rather than the U.S.). There was, however, a special category for those born outside the Empire who did not possess the citizenship of a specific German state; these were treated as citizens of the German Empire as a whole (that is, "Reichsangehörige") - thus your Johann Schröter


Regards


--Carl-Henry

[slocal]

Thank you for the background, I really appreciate it. I'm curious how a "Reichsangehörige" would be regarded for purposes of an application under Section 5 of the Naturalization Act. As in, would he still be regarded as a full German citizen or if it would complicate things... Appreciate any additional thoughts you may have on the subject.

[Gastonian]

Hi:


That particular aspect should not pose a problem. With the revision of German nationality law in 1934 the idea of separate state nationalities was eliminated, and all those with individual state nationalities as well as the Reichsangehörige were henceforward considered to be "deutsche Staatsangehörige", that is, Germans. Even before then, the Nationality Law of 1913 provided that both those who had an individual state nationality as well as those who were Reichsangehörige were Germans.



Regards


--Carl-Henry

[slocal]

Hi:


That particular aspect should not pose a problem. With the revision of German nationality law in 1934 the idea of separate state nationalities was eliminated, and all those with individual state nationalities as well as the Reichsangehörige were henceforward considered to be "deutsche Staatsangehörige", that is, Germans. Even before then, the Nationality Law of 1913 provided that both those who had an individual state nationality as well as those who were Reichsangehörige were Germans.



Regards


--Carl-Henry

Hello, there is a second place on this document where nationality is mentioned, although I cannot decipher it. Are you able to tell what it says (beginning of first sentence)? thank you

[Gastonian]

Hi:


I read the whole sentence as: "Legitimiert als preußischer Staatsangehöriger durch Vaters Heimatschein d.d. Danzig 30. Juni 1876 No A. 1042/4 und Reisepaß d.d. Elbing 5 Oktober 1877 No 857 und Militärpaß d.d. Thorn 19. September 1909."


In translation: "Proven as Prussian national through father's certificate of residence dated Danzig 30 June 1876 nr. A 1042/4, passport dated elbing 5 October 1877 nr. 857, and military pass dated Thorn 19 September 1909". At the bottom is then a receipt for the fee paid for this.


In essence, these are the three documents that Johann Schröter submitted to the consulate in Odessa to prove that he was indeed a Prussian national.


Regards


--Carl-Henry

[slocal]

Hi:


I read the whole sentence as: "Legitimiert als preußischer Staatsangehöriger durch Vaters Heimatschein d.d. Danzig 30. Juni 1876 No A. 1042/4 und Reisepaß d.d. Elbing 5 Oktober 1877 No 857 und Militärpaß d.d. Thorn 19. September 1909."


In translation: "Proven as Prussian national through father's certificate of residence dated Danzig 30 June 1876 nr. A 1042/4, passport dated elbing 5 October 1877 nr. 857, and military pass dated Thorn 19 September 1909". At the bottom is then a receipt for the fee paid for this.


In essence, these are the three documents that Johann Schröter submitted to the consulate in Odessa to prove that he was indeed a Prussian national.


Regards


--Carl-Henry

Interesting, thank you. So, this document refers to Johann as both a Reichsangehörige as well as a preußischer Staatsangehöriger.

Would there have been any distinction between a "German imperial subject" and a "Prussian national"?

[Gastonian]

I am not well-versed enough in the nuances of bureaucratic procedure back then to know whether there were any practical differences. Under either definition, he was a German citizen.