Help needed reading fist name

[Malte55]

Moin,
Paterswalde 1700 Nr.4 Doppelseite 36 links
4. d(en) 2. Febr(uar) ist Jacob Benkm(ann) Schmidts [alhir in Paterschw(alde)] s(eine) E(he)f(rau) von (Gott) mit e(inem) jungen Sohne entbunden
welcher (Sonn-)tags darauf Mechel getaufft. Mechel Bessel, Hans Brost, Peter Gronau,
Valten Lignau d(er) Krüger; Stolzenwaldsche, Steffen Gutztsche, Fr(au) Organistin.

Die weiteren Abkürzungen konnte ich noch nicht auflösen, da fehlt mir jetzt die Zeit. Im Steuerregister von 1710 ist der Jacob Benkmann vermutlich Nachfolger auf dem wüsten Erbe des Jacob Reyman von 1696.
LG Malte

[Stanley Who]

Hello All,
Many thanks for your replies and help and hints for me to go further.

Moin,
Paterswalde 1700 Nr.4 Doppelseite 36 links
4. d(en) 2. Febr(uar) ist Jacob Benkm(ann) Schmidts [alhir in Paterschw(alde)

With Malte finding this entry I think the answer to my original post is "Schmidt" or something similar.

Many thanks again, LG Jan

[Stanley Who]

Hello Gastonian,

Hi Jan:
Thus, it is entirely possible that the Michael Benckmann who eventually settled in Paterswalde was living in a surrounding village in the 1730s (such as perhaps Kleinhoff)

With my limited reading (Kinder Deutsch) of the marriage of Michael & Gertrud in Paterswalde near the end of the entry does it note they are living in Tapiau?

Regards, Jan

[Stanley Who]

Hello Scriptoria,

I bought the "Benkmann" book some twenty years ago when I first started doing all this family searching, I have very limited reading skills of the German language and I asked my Mother to read it and to translate the parts that would be associated to our family, she told me there was no real connection and the book was mainly about the people who came from Salzburg, this is where I suspected the Benkmann's came from.
I found the book again early this year and started going looking thru it and finding the Benkmann's from Lindendorf & Paterswalde are possible connections and now researching the Kirchebuch from the regions.

Regards, Jan

[Gastonian]

Hi Jan:


I read the marriage entry as follows:


Michel Benckmann, servus ex Patersw: ist
mit seiner braut Gertrud, des Xstoff Neu-
manns von Frischenau: eheleibl. Tochter
alhier proclamiert Dnca 20.21. et 22.
p. Trin: und copuliret worden in
Tapiau d. 12. 9br:


In translation [note added - as Malte pointed out in the subsequent post, this marriage took place in 1727, not 1728]


Michel Beckmann, servant from Peterswalde, and
his bride Gertrud, legitimate daughter of
Christoff Neumann from Frischenau,
were proclaimed [had their banns read]
here [in Paterswalde] on the 20th, 21st, and 22nd
Sundays after Trinity [10, 17, and 24 October in 1728

note added - actually 26 October and 2 and 9 November 1727]
and were married in
Tapiau on 12 November


So the bride was from Frischenau, which was in the parish of Tapiau. It was customary for banns to be read in the home parishes of both the bride and the groom (so as to give anybody who might have known one of them the opportunity to raise an objection to the marriage); thus, the banns were read both here in Paterswalde as well as in Tapiau. It was also customary to hold the marriage itself in the home parish of the bride, which is why it was held in Tapiau.


Incidentally, there is another baptism of a child (a daughter Anna) born to Michael Benckmann of Kleinhoff and his wife Gertrud dated 16 November 1738 here (top entry on right-hand side): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...409&cc=3015626


Cheers


--Carl-Henry

[Malte55]

here [in Paterswalde] on the 20th, 21st, and 22nd
Sundays after Trinity [10, 17, and 24 October in 1728]
and were married in

Tapiau on 12 November

Moin,
wenn man sich die erwähnte Unstimmigkeit beim Jahr der Heirat mit deiner Angabe anschaut, dann finde ich den großen Zeitraum schon auffallend, obwohl es das auch gibt.

Schaut man sich nun das nächste(8.) Paar an, fällt auf, das die Proclamationen an Michaelis(29.9.) und den darauffolgenden Sonntagen(17 und 18) geschehen, und am 27.11. geheiratet wird.
1727= 29.9., 5.10. und 12.10.
1728= 29.9., 19.9. und 26.9.

Demnach sollte alles klar sein und würde ich die Jahre 1727/28 nach dem 8. Paar trennen. Wie man an der Seite sieht, könnte ein Pfarrerwechsel für Verwirrung gestiftet haben, indem der Nachfolger die fehlenden Vacanz-Einträge für 27/28 zusammenfaßte und nachtrug.

Schaut man dann noch in Tapiau auf der Bild-Nr. 288 findet man leider schlechte Qualität vor, aber mit Kontrastverbesserung kann man die Heirat im Jahre 1727 Nr. 14 finden.
LG Malte

[Gastonian]

Hallo Malte:


Vielen Dank - ich wunderte mich schon, wieso ich die Heirat nicht in Tapiau finden konnte.


VG


--Carl-Henry

[Gastonian]

Hi Jan:


The marriage entry for Michael Benckmann in the Tapiau church book that Malte found can be seen here (left side, 3rd from top, very faded): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...5626&cat=14352


The parts I can read are:
... ber Frischenau Michael Benckmann ein Knecht u[nd] Jungfr[au] Ger-
... ... mannin


This confirms that Michael and Gertrud were indeed married in the Tapiau church, that he was a servant (Knecht), and that they were living in Frischenau (or at least the bride, though I suspect the groom may have been a servant there).


Cheers


--Carl-Henry

[Stanley Who]

Hello All and thankyou very much,

This confirms that Michael and Gertrud were indeed married in the Tapiau church, that he was a servant (Knecht), and that they were living in Frischenau (or at least the bride, though I suspect the groom may have been a servant there).

There is a taufe for a Christoph Benckmann 1729 in Paterswalde, I can read that Michael is out of Frishenau, so I think they moved to Klein Hoff after this birth and lived there for some years before moving back to Paterswalde region again.

As per Malte finding the Mechel son of Jacob born 2nd Feb 1700 I think is most likely this Michael and Gertrude.

LG Jan