Family of Alexander Solomonica 1889-1942

[corin]

Hi Gki and thanks. Yes ive looked up on jewishgen. I havent seen any boys anywhere within in a year or two of him so nothing to consider with a different name just yet. what you say about the passport makes sense. I don't want to disturb Sophie. Her mum died just after the war and she probably doesnt have a copy. I could try to get a copy of my granddads birth certificate perhaps

[gki]

I would not assume that the known year of birth is accurate, I'd increase the time frame somewhat. Anybody named Solomonica should be of interest.

You should be able to order a copy of the death certificate since you are a descendend. I've no idea how this works in the UK, though.

And yes, getting a copy of the birth certificate would be important, too. I don't think it will have anything about Alexander's parents, but it might have his birth date and place of birth. It could be that he was not born in Iasi after all, maybe just in the vicinity.

[corin]

I just got back the Austrian registration records for Alexander. The records only cover 1910 and onwards so his childhood is not covered. They do not give details of his parents. They confirm his date of birth 21/12/1889 Jassy/Iasi.
They give 5 different addresses covering 1933-1941 and state him as single.
Im not sure how much this helps.

Alexander SOLOMONICA, geboren 21.12.1889 (auch 9.12.und 21.12. angegeben) in Jassy, mosaisch, Schriftsteller, ledig,
10. 9.1933 - 5.10.1933: 9, Universitätsstraße 4 (Pension Votivpark) Staatsangehörigkeit: Rumänien vorher: Rein bei Innsbruck 6.10.1933 – 19.12.1936: 18, Glanzinggasse 33
Staatsangehörigkeit: Rumänien, 20.12.1936 - 3. 12.1937: 13, Schillingergasse 34 Staatsangehörigkeit: Rumänien, 8.12.1937 -28.10.1941: 19, Pyrkergasse 21 Staatsangehörigkeit: Rumänien, 2.10.1941 – 28.10.1941: 9, Boltzmanngasse 22/7 „staatenlos“ Abmeldevermerk: „Polentransport, Litzmannstadt umgesiedelt“.

Does that confirm place of birth and date of birth then? I can't get death certificate for Alexander as he died in the Holocaust. I don't think my granddads birth/death certificate will give anymore details then we already have

[gki]

I don't believe the date of birth untill I've seen a copy of the registration of the birth.

As you can see, there are two different dates given. It seems possible that neither is correct.

I don't know how complete the records for Iasi are, but I'd really check them from 1880 -1900 to be sure. You may also find entries for potential siblings.

Since he is mentioned as being single, he wasn't married to Marianne Kuh and you don't need to look for a marriage certificate.

It is interesting that he's listed as Romanian until into the 30ies, might be worthwhile to follow up on that.
Romania was an ally of the Reich and it is possible they stripped all Jews of their citizenship.

It is also mentioned that he lived at Rein near Innsbruck before. You might want to ask their registrar about any data they might have. It would be interesting to see how long he lived there and if he moved there from Berlin or elsewhere.

Also, you say that the data in Vienna starts 1910, but the copied info only has the data from 1933.
Can you see when he left Vienna for Berlin?

I think you need to get a copy of your grandfathers birth certificate to check whether Alexander is really listed as the father.

[corin]

The data i've copied and pasted here is the only info they gave. nothing before 1933.
He was enlisted for national service and was stripped of his citizenship because he didnt go. I'm not sure how to get records from iasi so I will have to look into that. I've found some records on jewishgen and the website says they are updating more info for Iasi at the moment.

[corin]

http://soc.genealogy.jewish.narkive.com/iu3JoHll/stutthof-concentration-camp-memorial-website

Sorry, forget "or Natzweiler-Struthof", the 16 all were murdeed in Sutthof.

btw, on this list:

Erna Sophia Solomonica
She came from a chique family in Romania.
They fled to the Netherlands after Kristallnacht.
Her husband Arthur Joseph 'Arthuro d’Alberti' Durlacher,
who played in the "revue" in the Westerbork camp under Max Ehrlich,
died 31 Mar 1945 in Bergen-Belsen, 16 days after Erna died in Sutthof.

Evertjan Hannivoort.
The Netherlands.

this is the erna Durlacher (solomonica) that juegen found. could be a relative after all

[gki]

Maybe try to contact Evertjan, he might have more info on the family than just them being "chique".

[UrsulaK]

There is a tree for Erna Solomonica on ancestry, a contact to the user slpdaughter could be helpful.

http://search.ancestry.de/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=ROOT_CATEGORY&rank=1&new=1&so=3&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=ms_r_f-2_s&gsfn=erna&gsfn_x=XO&gsln=solomonica&msbdy=1905&msbdy_x=1&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=tv6&cp=0

Or: contact Erna Durlacher´s granddaughter Jessica (married to Leon de Winter) in Netherlands

http://www.jessicadurlacher.nl/web/Contact.htm

Or: Order copy of the entry in (Polizeimeldebücher)/registrar´s entry of family Jysony Solomonica Stadtarchiv in Chemnitz: http://www.chemnitz.de/chemnitz/de/d...hiv/index.html
If he got married in Chemnitz, daugther born 1905, it will be noted down and the marriage record can be found, giving us his parent´s name. But it takes time and they charge a fee.

Maxel, Marcel Solomonica
I do not believe, "she" is a girl.Would be the only among her classmates.
Check perhaps following entry on ancestry: http://search.ancestry.de/cgi-bin/ss...&uidh=tv6&cp=0

Munich, Vienna and Barcelona Jewish Displaced Persons and Refugee Cards, 1943-1959 (JDC) : Marcel Solomonica accompanied by Margarethe Solomonica
Interesting that the birthplace for Marcel is given with Baden/wien. Is there a connection to Durlachers in Baden-Baden? How does Jysony Solomonica in Chemnitz belong to Solomonica family?

Paul Solomonica
*18.01.1908 Nürnberg
+1952/1954? Negev, Israel
Attended Akademisches Gymnasium Wien, final exams 1926
Studied geology
1934 thesis: Zur Geologie der sogenannten Kieselkalkzone am Kalkalpenrande bei Wien
Went to Palestine

obituary: http://www.zobodat.at/D/runD/D/cache...25&reiter_nr=1

school: http://members.chello.at/seite-akg68...extversion.pdf

Tree of grandson Amir on geni, he is also having a facebookprofil?

Just some ideas.

[corin]

I had Marcel as a girl because of the tree on found on geni managed by Rafi Kornfeld. Would this be the same person and he just has the gender wrong? he also had nickname as mazal but wilhelms death record has maxal. I assume its the same person and hes got the gender wrong? Margraethe his wife then?

I sent a message to Amir and Jessica so will see if and what they reply

[UrsulaK]

I found Mazal being a female name and Maxel as variation, f.e. here: http://www.vorname.de/mazal/

But Marcel/Marzell Solomonica is a man:
The passage in the book of Robert Neumann Jürgen found says that he was a classmate of Marcel S. and that he remembered him when he met his son.

Mr. Marcel Solomonica occurs in this book of 1955: http://books.google.dk/books?id=FD4w...ed=0CDMQ6AEwAg

Came also across a chemnist named Marcus Solomonica (I would say, he is older and not identical with Marcel): http://books.google.dk/books?id=MiUt...=0CDYQ6AEwAzgU

or here: http://books.google.dk/books?ei=Uywc...&q=solomonica+

That means, Wilhelm had a daughter named Mazal/Maxel, but there were living some more Solomonicas in Vienna at that time, too. In order to mention everything:
In the list of murdered Jews from Austria also finds an Elisabeth Solomonica 1878-1942.

By the way, you can ask for help on ancestry on this part of the forum: http://forum.ahnenforschung.net/forumdisplay.php?f=79

[corin]

Thanks again Ursula x

I also saw Elisabeth. She lived just around the corner from Clara's registered address which made me wonder. I don't know how common the surname is but of course there would be other families.

My mum confirmed that Alexander and Marianne never married.

I sent an email to the Iasi link you gave. I heard back today that they needed more of my information to process it. Hopefully they have the record there.

also on jewishgen was this record. http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/w...search~model2~[marrsdivs]mold_m1

I am assuming wolf/wilhelm talel/zalic sura/sara? what do you think?

http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/w...search~model2~[jowbr]j_Moldavia

[gki]

Interesting that the birthplace for Marcel is given with Baden/wien. Is there a connection to Durlachers in Baden-Baden?

Baden, Wien has nothing to do with Baden-Baden, if you were implying that.

https://maps.google.de/maps?saddr=Baden,+%C3%96sterreich&daddr=Baden-Baden&hl=de&ie=UTF8&sll=48.76564,8.228524&sspn=0.327225,0.837021&geocode=FVx03AId_qn3ACm7bB1hgLBtRzFatP1fP842bw%3BFcga6AIdrI59AClFMfeRQx-XRzHBxfMzGSkPYw&oq=Baden,+%C3%B6s&mra=ls&t=m&z=7

[corin]

Sehr geehrter Herr Stone,
in den im Wiener Stadt- und Landesarchiv verwahrten historischen Wiener Meldeunterlagen konnten zu Ihrer Anfrage die folgenden Daten ermittelt werden.
Claire (Clara) SOLOMONICA, geborene HORWITZ, geboren 29.11.1868 in Wien, mosaisch, verwitwet (Gatte Wilhelm SOLOMONICA, geboren 12.5.1853 in Jassy, zuletzt wohnhaft in 1, Mölker Bastei 8/4/18, ist am 7.2.1916 in Wien gestorben),
10. 5.1917 – 18. 7.1942: 1, Sterngasse 3/3/12 Heimatzuständigkeit: Bukarest mitgemeldet: Kinder Lucy 18 Jahre alt, Stella, 15 Jahre alt, Daisy, 11 Jahre alt, und Paul, 9 Jahre alt (die Altersangaben auf den Meldungen beziehen sich auf das jeweilige Anmeldedatum, also in diesem Fall auf Mai 1917) 21.7.1942 – 13. 8.1942: 2, Franz-Hochedlinger Gasse 10/1/1/4 „staatenlos“ abgemeldet: Theresienstadt Die auf der Meldekarte vermerkte Tochter Lucy SALOMONICA, geboren 13.9.1898 in Bukarest wurde am 17.5.1942 nach Minsk deportiert.
In der für die Zeit von 1941 bis 1947 angelegten Meldekartei ist, um Unterschied zu den davor und danach üblichen Meldezetteln, auch die Angabe der Daten der Eltern vorgesehen.
Auf der Meldekarte der Clara SOLOMONICA, geboren 19.11.1868, ist bezüglich der Eltern vermerkt: Simon HORWITZ, geboren 1840 in Wien, gestorben in Wien, Sofie, geborene JUNGHERZ, geboren in Warschau, gestorben in Wien

no marcel? Lucy born bucharest. year of birth for the other children. maybe daisy and stella died in the holocaust too. year of birth for paul the same as Paul previously mentioned

[UrsulaK]

Really good idea to ask for Clara at Landesarchiv, Corin!!
Having the birthyears of the children helps a lot!

I think I found Daisy:
She studied at University of Vienna, became Dr. phil in antrophology University of vienna. Report about the academic year 1935/36, 1937

http://books.google.dk/books?ei=aHIcU4jULOm84ATRlYCoDg&hl=de&id=dydOAAAAMAAJ&dq=eugen+solomonica&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=solomonica

If this is the same, she died about 1992: http://books.google.dk/books?id=cryA...ed=0CD0Q6AEwAQ

I think it is the right one, because a search on deceased persons in Vienna: http://www.friedhoefewien.at/eportal/fhw/vs/submitSuchergebnis.do?id=0
says that she was born 24 May 1905, buried 03 March 1993. The birthyear is correct.

That means that she got married to Hans Leitmeier (24.10.1885-08.06.1967)

Dr. phil. in Graz, 23 June 1908
Prof. in mineralogy in Wien, 12. Sept. 1916
retired 1957

http://gedenkbuch.univie.ac.at/index.php?id=435&no_cache=1&L=2&person_single_id=34284&person_name=&person_geburtstag_tag=not_selected&person_geburtstag_monat=not_selected&person_geburtstag_jahr=not_selected&person_fakultaet=not_selected&person_kategorie=not_selected&person_volltextsuche=&search_person.x=1&result_page=76

They lived 1954 in Vienna, Bleichergasse 15: http://books.google.dk/books?id=8p4W...ed=0CEsQ6AEwBA

His first wife was Berta Leitmeier-Bennesch. They got married 1909. Do not know what happened to her?
His registration of birth, including note of the first marriage: http://www.matricula.findbuch.matricula-online.eu/php/view2.php?ar_id=3670&be_id=1802&ve_id=222668&count =0121

I do not know either if Daisy really got married to Hermann Horwitz in 1927 as the marriage index on gent.at says. In the death index finds a Hermann Howitz buried in 1938???

Baden, Wien has nothing to do with Baden-Baden, if you were implying that.

Have to admit that this thought crossed my mind. Did not know Baden near Wien finds and did not search for it.
Looks like as if we have a date and a birthplace to find out about Marcel S.´ relation to the Solomonica family: http://www.juedischegemeinde.at/
But would also like to see the scan of that card on ancestry.

also on jewishgen was this record. http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/w...search~model2~[marrsdivs]mold_m1
I am assuming wolf/wilhelm talel/zalic sura/sara? what do you think?

I think the link does not work due to password on jewishgen.
But found out, you are refering to Anna Solomonica´s marriage.

Yes, I also think that the bride Anna Solomonica is Wilhelms sister:
It is obviously him who is witness number 4, as we know his birthyear from his marriage entry and that he also was known under the name Wolf. This together with the correspondence of the given names of Annas parents: There is no doubt.
I know that Ţ/ţ stands for a sharp s-sound, so that Ţalik sounds like Salik/Zalik and I assume the variation with /o/ is due to transcribing hebrew names with Latin letters. (I think Falik in the birth documents of Bruno Solomonica in Vienna is due to reading problems, not only because of the difference of handwriting in Romania and f.e. Austria but also that there finds special letters in the Romanian alphabet.

Talel could be a variation of Talik - or due to readingproblems - and according to all that, Itic Solomonica have to be in family with them, too.

But you need to check with copies of the original entries to be sure.

[corin]

thats great! must be Daisy right?!
can we find out if she had children ~ Leitmeier?
I was hoping they didnt all die in the holocaust. Most of one innocent family would be so awful. Daisy studied Minerology. Paul was born in 1908 same as Paul who studied and worked in Geology ~~~

I saw the Itic too. That is a large part of the family connected although yes original entries are needed to be 100% sure.

Ive got to hope for good feed back from Iasi about Alexanders record but it is all looking good

its great that you know so much Ursula. I particularly like the Ţ/ţ ! how do you know that?! its cool. misreading is easy to happen too with the writing style and old documents. I saw Bruno's son is still alive and a dr. too it seems. I may contact him soon