Colonist: Johann Ludvig Jacob Öhlschläger (1733-1792)

[Brinch1984]

Hi all clever people,

Having already experienced great support and engagement from great people on this forum, I am reaching out once again for your support.

I am looking for documentation about my daughter's 6th great-grandparents, who came to Denmark in 1760 to colonize the heath. I am facing difficulty documenting their origins, births, parents, etc. In essence, I am looking for documentation about the following individuals:

Name: JOHANN LUDVIG JACOB ÖHLSCHLÄGER
Date of Birth: Allegedly 1 January 1733
Place of Birth: Allegedly Kurpfalz, possibly Wald-Michelbach

and his wift:

Name: ANNA MARGRETHA ROTHERMEL
Date of Birth: Allegedly 5 June 1733
Place of Birth: Allegedly Kurpfalz, possibly Odenwald

I know and have found documentation that their first two (2) children are born in Hammelbach on 1 January 1758 and 6 January 1760, and I have had no trouble finding their births on Archion. I can however not find documentation about Johann Ludvig and Anna Margretha, their dates and places of birth, parents, as well as their wedding. In essence, my challenge is that I am uncertain about, which parishes to look into. I hope, you can help me.

Best,

Thomas

[TG23]

Hello, I suppose this is not your site?

https://gw.geneanet.org/mannimac?lang=en&n=rothermel&p=anna+Margaretha

[Brinch1984]

Hello, I suppose this is not your site?

https://gw.geneanet.org/mannimac?lang=en&n=rothermel&p=anna+Margaretha

Hello,

Thank you for taking the time to check and respond.

The site is not mine, no. The information, I have, comes from a Danish book about Danish colonists. Thus, I have no documentation and can only provide the alleged places. It would be great to have certainty, as well as documentation.

Best,

Thomas

[Brinch1984]

From another Danish forum, I find Schönmattenwag as his place of birth and Hammelbach as her place of birth. I will try to see, if I can find the appropriate parishes and identify their births, parents, etc. If anybody knows, where to look, I would be happy to hear it. I have access to Archion.

[Spargel]

Hallo Thomas,

die am 03.06.1733 geborene ANNA MARGRETHA ROTHERMEL
starb am 19.03.1799 in Hammelbach.
Sie heiratete am 21.11.1768 in Hammelbach Johann Valentin DÖRSAM

Johann Jacob Öhlschläger wurde am 01.01.1733 in Schönmattenwag geboren.
Evangelisches Kirchenbuch Wald-Michelbach

Eine Heirat konnte ich nicht finden.
Wann starb Anna Margaretha in Dänemark ?

Diese Seiten sind sicher bekannt.

[Brinch1984]

Hello Joachim,

Thank you very much for your work. I am extremely excited to get som documentation about these people.

Am I correct in understanding that Johann Jacob did indeed not bear the name "Ludvig"? It is missing from your text, but considering what I am able to read from Archion, I read it a Johann Jacob as well.

The source you provide is identical to sereval similar, i have seen. The information about ANNA MERGRETHA ROTHERMEL from the same site is shared in the attached photo. To document the answer to your question, I have shared the entry from the parish records, which states that she was buried on 13 August 1799 in Randbøl Sogn (Parish), Denmark.

I find it interesting, how she would have married a different person in 1768 in Germany. The ANNA MARGRETHA ROTHERMEL i have have multiple children already at the time with Johann Jacob, as is apparent from the link, you have shared.

I have found documentation in Archion about their first two (2) children for before they migrate to Denmark in 1760. I assume, they married circa 1757 Both boys were born in Hammelbach, if I interpret everything correctly.

Best,

Thomas

[Nefer]

Hello Thomas!

I found a danish census from 1787 in ancestry https://www.ancestry.de/search/collections/61724/records/721659?tid=&pid=&queryId=8fdc834e-f52f-42ba-90f3-698b0f018f4a&_phsrc=yTi56065&_phstart=successSourc e

Many greetings

[Gastonian]

Hi Thomas:

Just as a reminder, per the terms of service of both Archion and this forum, you are not allowed to post screenshots from Archion (as you have apparently done in contribution #6), but only the official (and paid-for) PDF downloads from the Archion site.

Regards

--Carl-Henry

[Brinch1984]

Hi Thomas:

Just as a reminder, per the terms of service of both Archion and this forum, you are not allowed to post screenshots from Archion (as you have apparently done in contribution #6), but only the official (and paid-for) PDF downloads from the Archion site.

Regards

--Carl-Henry

Duly noted. I was not sufficiently attentive to this. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I have deleted the screenshots.

Best,

Thomas

[Brinch1984]

Hello Thomas!

I found a danish census from 1787 in ancestry https://www.ancestry.de/search/collections/61724/records/721659?tid=&pid=&queryId=8fdc834e-f52f-42ba-90f3-698b0f018f4a&_phsrc=yTi56065&_phstart=successSourc e

Many greetings

Hi Nefer,

Thank you for pitching in.

Luckily, all censuses are readily available and often easy to interpret. Even better (in this circumstance) is that Randbøl Sogn (Parish) is very small. However, it does not add much to this context other than confirm, what is already known -- namely the relationship between Johann Jacob Öhlschläger and Anna Margretha Rothermel. For transparency, please visit this link: https://arkivalieronline.rigsarkivet...34707,90284137.

This is an excerpt from the 1787 census. Additional information mentioned is that they are both in their first marriage and his occupation is farmer and farm resident ("Bonde og Gaardbeboer").

Best,

Thomas

[Nefer]

Hello,

may I do not understand but it must be the son of Anna Margaretha and Johan Jacob. I found the death of the son here: http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=...e=7&height=729 He became a very old man born in "Kurpfalz"... Or am I wrong?

Greetings

[Nefer]

Here's something else I found on geneanet that fits quite well for me, as I've only found three children of Johann Jacob and Anna Margaretha.
It's not always easy to find ancestors because some data is simply transcribed and copied incorrectly. https://gw.geneanet.org/mannimac?lan...akob&type=tree
Here's the death entry for Johann Jacob Senior: http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=...160&height=729 May you find Anna Margarethe

[Brinch1984]

Hello,

may I do not understand but it must be the son of Anna Margaretha and Johan Jacob. I found the death of the son here: http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=...e=7&height=729 He became a very old man born in "Kurpfalz"... Or am I wrong?

Greetings

You are not wrong. This is indeed their first son born on 1 Jan 1758 in Hammelbach.

[Brinch1984]

Here's something else I found on geneanet that fits quite well for me, as I've only found three children of Johann Jacob and Anna Margaretha.
It's not always easy to find ancestors because some data is simply transcribed and copied incorrectly. https://gw.geneanet.org/mannimac?lan...akob&type=tree
Here's the death entry for Johann Jacob Senior: http://ao.salldata.dk/vis1.php?bsid=...160&height=729 May you find Anna Margarethe

Thank you for sharing this. I understand that my inquiry is somewhat complex and does not get easier to follow throughout the development of the thread. I have information about their deaths. I am specifically looking for documentation from births (also determining parents) as well as their wedding.

In any regard, thank you for getting involved and spending time looking. It is greatly appreciated.

Best,

Thomas