Dringenberg Research Schaefer

[JSchaefer]

Hello, wondering if someone here may be able to help. I have been researching my ancestor who came to America from Dringenberg.The last name had multiple spellings Schaefers, Scheffers, Scheiffers and have been unale to find his birth record. I have found his wedding record Caspar and Theresia here, https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/...05-02-H/?pg=16 father listed as Ferdinand, and birth date about 1810 but no birth records found for him, so that is where it stops.
Can anyone give insight into the name spellings? Or anyone else researching a similar line?
Thank you

[benangel]

Hello,

On familysearch there is a familytree of this family.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/LL3H-5SM

[JSchaefer]

Hello,

On familysearch there is a familytree of this family.
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pe...scape/LL3H-5SM

Thank you yes, that is the line I am looking to connect from Caspar to Ferdinand but no birth records for Caspar.

[GeraldMax]

Hello,

I took a look at the churchbook of Dringenberg and -if you ask me- the priest has forgotten to fill in some entries, especially the years 1803-1809

for example

https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/paderborn/DE_EBAP_12102/KB003-01-T/?pg=115

from 1809 he moved back to 1807, 1805 on so on. He entered many things afterwards.
In 1810 and following years there is no entry of Caspar.
I think its bad luck and there is no chance to find it.
Perhaps you may ask the "person of familytree Casper Schaefers", who has written, that Casper was born on July 20th 1807 and where did she get the information from....
Best of luck
Gerald

[GermanAncestors]

Question for you

Hello, wondering if someone here may be able to help. I have been researching my ancestor who came to America from Dringenberg.The last name had multiple spellings Schaefers, Scheffers, Scheiffers and have been unale to find his birth record. I have found his wedding record Caspar and Theresia here, https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/...05-02-H/?pg=16 father listed as Ferdinand, and birth date about 1810 but no birth records found for him, so that is where it stops.
Can anyone give insight into the name spellings? Or anyone else researching a similar line?
Thank you

Hello distant relative! I have also been looking for Caspar Schaefers (pick a spelling!) baptism record. I agree with the post below that says the church records don't seem to be in good order for the relevant time frame (I wonder if they didn't have a priest for a while). But, it seems that the civil registration is very complete and I can't find Caspar there either. Is it possible we have the wrong area for his birth??? I did find a record of a Joannes Caspar Schaefer that, strangely, has a birth date almost exactly matching our Caspar's gravestone. Baptism date of 29 July 1807. I don't think this is the correct Caspar (dad not listed as Ferdinand), but I find it so odd that the birthdate matches up. The town is about 1.25 hours by car from Dringenberg, so, likely not the correct Caspar. That's pretty far in those days. Thoughts?

[Jürgen_W]

Hi all,

But, it seems that the civil registration is very complete and I can't find Caspar there either.

The civil registration records only start in 1808, so this does not make it less likely that Caspar Schaefers was born in 1807 in Dringenberg as a son of Ferdinand Schafers and Angela Blanken.

As there is no birth record due to negligence and there seem to be many descendant from this family, proving that Caspar Schafers was a son of Ferdinand Schaefers and Angela Blanken might be possible via DNA matching.

Best regards
Jürgen

[Prinzessin LiSi]

Hello,
last year during the lockdowns I did some research for this family for a good friend.
She ist descendant of a son (*1791 Johann Ferdinand) of Ferdinand Schaefer and Angela Blanken.
I am pretty shure: Caspar Schaefer (familiysearch, grave etc. : *20.7. 1807, date not found in Matricula, age at marriage 1840: 30 years) ist his brother and has the same parents.
The children of the familiy Caspar Schaefer and Maria Theresia Düvel you can find in the family tree on familysearch have godfathers and godmothers who are children or children-in-law of Ferdinand Schaefer and Angela Blanken.
And you can have a look at * 1846 August Schaefer: notice of the priest "nach America"

https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/paderborn/DE_EBAP_12102/KB005-01-T/?pg=84

But following is strange:
Maria Theresia Düvel, spouse of Caspar Schaefer has a foto of her gravestone on familysearch, too. And her birthday at the gravestone (*20.5.1812) is not correct, either.
She is born *23.2. 1811 https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/...02-02-T/?pg=17
This means: Caspar Schaefers couldn´t be born *20.7.1807, but another date can not be found in Dringenberg. And there must be missing baptisms about 1807 https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/...1a-04-Rt/?pg=6
But he is son of Ferdinand Schaefer and Angela Blanken and not of Mr Schaefer and Mr Schaefer born Wachtmeister somehere else.
Best regards
LiSi

[GermanAncestors]

Hi all,


The civil registration records only start in 1808, so this does not make it less likely that Caspar Schaefers was born in 1807 in Dringenberg as a son of Ferdinand Schafers and Angela Blanken.

As there is no birth record due to negligence and there seem to be many descendant from this family, proving that Caspar Schafers was a son of Ferdinand Schaefers and Angela Blanken might be possible via DNA matching.

Best regards
Jürgen

Thank you. I think I misspoke. I meant to say that the Namensregister Taufen from 1651 - 1820 seemed very complete (not the civil register). DNA matching is a good idea!

[GermanAncestors]

Hello,
last year during the lockdowns I did some research for this family for a good friend.
She ist descendant of a son (*1791 Johann Ferdinand) of Ferdinand Schaefer and Angela Blanken.
I am pretty shure: Caspar Schaefer (familiysearch, grave etc. : *20.7. 1807, date not found in Matricula, age at marriage 1840: 30 years) ist his brother and has the same parents.
The children of the familiy Caspar Schaefer and Maria Theresia Düvel you can find in the family tree on familysearch have godfathers and godmothers who are children or children-in-law of Ferdinand Schaefer and Angela Blanken.
And you can have a look at * 1846 August Schaefer: notice of the priest "nach America"

https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/deutschland/paderborn/DE_EBAP_12102/KB005-01-T/?pg=84

But following is strange:
Maria Theresia Düvel, spouse of Caspar Schaefer has a foto of her gravestone on familysearch, too. And her birthday at the gravestone (*20.5.1812) is not correct, either.
She is born *23.2. 1811 https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/...02-02-T/?pg=17
This means: Caspar Schaefers couldn´t be born *20.7.1807, but another date can not be found in Dringenberg. And there must be missing baptisms about 1807 https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/...1a-04-Rt/?pg=6
But he is son of Ferdinand Schaefer and Angela Blanken and not of Mr Schaefer and Mr Schaefer born Wachtmeister somehere else.
Best regards
LiSi

Thank you for the information! I also noticed Maria Theresia Düvel's gravestone has the wrong birthdate. I think many people from those times did not know their actual birthdays

I think that Caspar's mother is probably Angela Blanken and that Johann Ferdinand and Caspar are brothers, but, without Caspar's birth/baptism record, we can never be completely sure. Too bad it's missing. Maybe DNA testing!

[JSchaefer]

So exciting to see others are researching this ancestor!!