Kastulus Anglhuber, Moosburg

[RobertKisielewicz]

Hello,
My name is Robert Kisielewicz. I live in the United States, but I was born in Moosburg, Germany in 1954. My father, Kasper, was a Polish soldier captured in 1939 and spent the rest of the war as a prisoner. He spent some time at Oflag VIIa in Murnau and also in Stalag VIIa in Moosburg. He was placed in work details in Bavaria. My mother, Barbara Anglhuber, grew up in Moosburg and met my father sometime at the conclusion of the war. We emigrated to the USA in 1957. I am interested in finding out more about my grandfather, Kastulus Anglhuber, who was a cattle dealer in Moosburg. He died in a traffic accident in late 1962. Thank you.

[WeM]

grüß Gott Robert,

hier ist es schwierig, online Unterlagen zu finden für die Zeit zwischen 1900 und heute. Stichwort: Datenschutz. Aber manchmal hat man Glück.

Beim Bayer. Landesverein für Familienforschung (blf) gibt es ein sog. Sterbebilderprojekt.

https://www.blf-sterbebilderprojekt.de/

Sterbebilder oder Totenzettel wurden und werden heute noch bei Beerdigungen verteilt. Der blf sammelt und digitalisiert solche Sterbebilder. Ich habe für Kastulus dort einen Eintrag gefunden. siehe scan im Anhang.
Demnach ist Kastulus am 8. Januar 1890 in Moosburg geboren.
Den Taufeintrag findet man in den digitalisierten Kirchenbüchern der Diözese München-Freising:
https://dfg-viewer.de/show?tx_dlf%5Bdouble%5D=0&tx_dlf%5Bid%5D=https%3A% 2F%2Fdigitales-archiv.erzbistum-muenchen.de%2Factaproweb%2Fmets%3Fid%3DRep_a0deeae 7-e81f-46ae-bbff-aa8a85e3520e_mets_actapro.xml&tx_dlf%5Bpage%5D=258 &cHash=7ed4c1aed93e56c2cf0c1fec3495c6f1

Im Nebeneintrag sind die Eheschließungen erwähnt, sowie der Tod der ersten Ehefrau Franziska. online gefunden die erste Eheschließung unter Nummer 58:
https://dfg-viewer.de/show?tx_dlf%5Bdouble%5D=0&tx_dlf%5Bid%5D=https%3A% 2F%2Fdigitales-archiv.erzbistum-muenchen.de%2Factaproweb%2Fmets%3Fid%3DRep_31121ca f-cc47-477c-ad85-8aabf41381f6_mets_actapro.xml&tx_dlf%5Bpage%5D=214 &cHash=cf068d8d3e7f97ea47770251e8253a8c

In Bayern gibt es seit 1876 Standesämter. Wenn du also die Kirchenbuchdaten absichern willst, musst du dich an das Standesamt Moosburg wenden

https://www.moosburg.de/standesamt-trauungszimmer-nav

Auch wenn du noch weitere Unterlagen möchtest, die du noch nicht hast und die man auch online nicht findet z.B. Sterbeurkunde der Franziska Anglhuber oder zweite Eheschließung des Kastulus.

Von der Taufe des Kastulus zurück in der Zeit muss man dann weiter in den Kirchenbüchern suchen.
Zur ersten Ehefrau Franziska findet man die Taufe hier, letzter Eintrag:

https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/passau/mehring/029_01/?pg=38

Wie geht es dir mit den gezeigten Unterlagen? Ist die Schrift ein Problem für dich? Und ich denke, du wirst jetzt viele Fragen haben.

Vorerst viele Grüße aus Bayern,
Waltraud

[RobertKisielewicz]

Hello Waltraud,
This is a wealth of information. I will research it. Thank you. I have his death card and a notice from the newspaper. My mother was very particular in saving information. I was able to visit his grave in 1986, but when I returned for a visit in 2018 the gravestone was gone and another person was buried there. My mother kept up the payments for the gravesite, but I was not aware that she was doing this and when she passed in 2003 the payments were stopped. I am curious as to what happened to my grandfather. I talked to a cemetery caretaker, but she had no record of my grandfather. I am not sure if I made myself clear to her. My German is not the best.
Sincerely,
Robert

[RobertKisielewicz]

You are correct about the hand writing. It is difficult to decipher. Is there an app that can help?
Robert

[Gastonian]

Hi Robert:

Welcome in our forum!

There is a program called Transkribus (www.transkribus.org) that is supposed to be able to help with handwriting, but it usually has to be trained with several pages of already deciphered handwriting of a particular person, and thus may not be useful in your situation (it also has not been getting rave reviews by experts on this forum).

Catholic church books (such as you are dealing with here) were usually written in Latin script rather than German script (so-called Kurrentschrift), so the letters as such should not be unfamiliar - however, the particular priest who wrote Kastulus's baptismal entry loved curlicues, which makes it more difficult to read. Church book entries also followed a particular format; you may not yet be familiar with it, but once you've seen a number of church book entries, you will learn what to look for where on the page. It also of course helps to know the local geography (so you can decipher place names). And with Catholic church books, once you get towards the early 19th century, you will need to know common church Latin phrases (for example uxor for wife, p.m. for deceased, levans or similar for godparent).

I would recommend posting each entry you need help with in a separate thread in the forum for reading assistance (https://forum.ahnenforschung.net/for...rsetzungshilfe) or, if the entry is in Latin, in the forum for foreign reading assistance (https://forum.ahnenforschung.net/for...prachige-texte). Once you get help with a particular entry, see whether you can read the text yourself with the solution key - that way you can train yourself (rather than some AI engine) to read these handwritings.

Cheers

--Carl-Henry

[Gastonian]

Hi Robert:

As a start, here is how I would read the baptismal entry for Kastulus:

1.

[name] Castulus

[type of birth, midwife] regelmäßig, leb[end], Hacker [regular, live, Hacker]

[father] Martin Anglhuber

[trade, confession] Oekonom, kthl. [farmer, Catholic]

[residence] [Bezirksamt = district] Freising, [Landgericht = county] Landshut, Moosburg 188

[mother] Magdalene geb. [= nee] Mundel [?]

[origin, confession] Bauerstochter von Rampoldsdorf, Pfr. Geisenhausen, kthl. [farmer's daughter from Rampoldsdorf, parish Geisenhausen, Catholic]

[status] uxor [wife]

[born] 8. Januar 1890 abends 6 Uhr [8 January 1890, evening 6 o'clock]

[baptised] 9. Januar 1890 Stadtpf[ar]rkirche [9 January 1890, town parish church]

[by whom] Wiedmüller, Coop

[witness] Joseph Schufter [?], Gärtner in Landshut [gardner in Landshut]

Incidentally, Castulus was a twin; in entry 2 is the sister, not given a name as she was emergency baptised 5 minutes after birth and then probably died.

In black and then blue ink in a different handwriting is the notation: heiratete 1) am 17. VI. 22 die Fr. Salzweher [?], + 20. III. 39 [married first on 17 Jun '22 Mrs. Salzweher, who died 20 Mar '39]
2) am 7. Jan. 45 Susanne Auer, geb. 24. X. 1915 in Putzenberg, Vilsbibg. [married second on 7 Jan '45 Susanne Auer, who had been born 24 Oct 1915 in Putzenberg, county of Vilsbiburg]

Regards

--Carl-Henry

[RobertKisielewicz]

This is wonderful! You obviously have a great deal of experience. Thank you so much!
Robert

[mariechen_im_garten]

Das Sterbebild der zweiten Frau von Kastulus - Susanne Anglhuber geb. Auer - ist hier digital erfasst:

https://www.erzbistum-muenchen.de/cms-media/media-65310020.pdf

[mariechen_im_garten]

Die Trauung der Eltern von Franziska Anglhuber geb. Satzinger: Josef Satzinger mit Barbara Schwankner 16.2.1892:

https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/passau/mehring/010_01/?pg=79

(1. Eintrag unter 1892]

The Marriage of the parents of Franziska Anglhuber born Satzinger: Josef Satzinger with Barbara Schwankner 1892 in Mehring

[RobertKisielewicz]

Vielen Dank, Mimi

[eifeler]

Dear Robert,
you wrote:
"......when I returned for a visit in 2018 the gravestone was gone and another person was buried there".

Depending on the local cemetery regulations, graves are closed after 25 or 30 years. If bones are found when the grave is dug, they are usually collected and reburied deeper. So, if your grandfather's remains have been found, they are still in the grave you have visited

My regards
Der Eifeler

[WeM]

grüß euch,

ich denke, eifeler liegt mit seiner Aussage richtig.
Mit https://www.google.de/maps findet man eine Ansicht des Friedhofs von 2023 - bei der Lupe eingeben "Moosburg an der Isar Friedhof".
Das Grab gibt es noch, auch wenn ein anderer Name darauf steht.

VG, Waltraud

[RobertKisielewicz]

Thank you. So in all likelihood, my grandfather's remains are in the same site only buried deeper.

Trying to read the German script is daunting. You must have many years of experience in this. It is like breaking a code. I look for words that I know and compare the letters in those words to letters in unknown words and try to decipher the word. Of course, it would help if my German was better. For the past two years I have been trying to better my German language skills. I recognize some words like brautigams (bridegroom), ledig (single) eltern (parents), etc. I will keep at it.

Robert

[RobertKisielewicz]

Hello,
I came across this picture of my grandfather, Kastulus Anglhuber, in a military uniform from the First World War. It is on postcard mailed on April 27, 1917. Can anyone help me find anything more about my grandfather's military service? Where might I begin to look?

Thank you,
Robert Kisielewicz

[Svenja]

Hallo

You should find the military documents on ancestry, they have the military documents of the Bavarian Army of the First World War.

Svenja