Familie Schneider in Kleinitz / Oberrod

[sarasj]

Here is the marriage certificate for Johann Michael Schneider: https://www.ancestry.de/sharing/4535...223a225632227d

On the far right i read - "brudgommen is katolisch" (leider kann ich nicht dänisch, aber das würde eher für das Oberrod/Elsoff) sprechen.

Edit:
Als Geburtsort des Bräutigams lese ich aber "Klonitz i Schlesien" anstelle Kleinitz. Kann das jemand verifizieren?

As the bridegroom's place of birth, I read Klonitz instead of Kleinitz. Can anyone verify this?

I read Klonitz in Schlesien - but I sure it is Kleinitz. Priests' handwriting is always a guess
I can't read the text on the right. But I have seen af transcription once of it. Something like he is a catholic, but he will raise future children in his wife's faith (lutheran)

Ich habe Klonitz in Schlesien gelesen – aber ich bin mir sicher, dass es Kleinitz ist. Die Handschrift von Priestern ist immer eine Vermutung
Ich kann den Text rechts nicht lesen. Aber ich habe einmal eine Transkription davon gesehen. Er ist so etwas wie ein Katholik, aber er wird zukünftige Kinder im Glauben seiner Frau (Lutheranerin) erziehen.

[sarasj]

Das ist vermutlich seine Ankunft in Dänemark 1860

This is probably his arrival in Denmark in 1860

https://www.ancestry.de/sharing/4535...223a225632227d

Yes it is. He arrived in Denmark a few years before his familly. This is from when he arrived to Rimsø, in november 1860. His family arrived to Rimsø start of 1860 straigth from "Klenika in Schlesien"

Ja ist es. Er kam einige Jahre vor seiner Familie nach Dänemark. Dies ist aus der Zeit, als er im November 1860 in Rimsø ankam. Seine Familie kam Anfang 1860 direkt von „Klenika in Schlesien“ nach Rimsø.

[sarasj]

And now, Sara - we need answers from you:

Where does the information about Oberrod come from?

Where does the information about Schleusingen come from? Or is it a mix up or reading error with Schlesien?

Census for Johan Georg Schneiders family 1860 in Rimsø “Birthplace: Obberod in Schlesien”. His wife’s and johan, august, & pouline are listed here as well but their birthplace is “Schlesien”
On johan Georg Schneiders funeral in Rimsø 10. April 1891 “born in Schlesien”

I know I have seen Anna Marie Pouls birthplace listed as Schleusingen, but I can’t seem to find it right now. I wil keep looking. At her dead and In the censuses she is from Schlesien.

Volkszählung für Johan Georg Schneiders Familie 1860 in Rimsø „Geburtsort: Obberod in Schlesien“. Seine Frau und Johan, August und Pouline sind hier ebenfalls aufgeführt, aber ihr Geburtsort ist „Schlesien“.
Zur Beerdigung von Johann Georg Schneider in Rimsø am 10. April 1891 „geboren in Schlesien“

Ich weiß, dass ich den Geburtsort von Anna Marie Pouls als Schleusingen aufgeführt habe, aber ich kann ihn momentan nicht finden. Ich werde weiter suchen. Bei ihren Toten und in den Volkszählungen stammt sie aus Schlesien.

[Nemo63]

Census for Johan Georg Schneiders family 1860 in Rimsø “Birthplace: Obberod in Schlesien”.

Hello Sara, thank you for your answers. In the census of 1870 & 1880 it is written: Birthplace for Johann Georg Schneider is "Schlesien" or "Preusisk Schlesien". I can`t find neither Johann Georg or Johann Michael Schneider in the census of 1860, can you post a link or a picture?

Census 1870: https://www.ancestry.de/sharing/4576...223a225632227d
Census 1880: https://www.ancestry.de/sharing/4576...223a225632227d

And "Oberrod in Schlesien" - that cant be true, because one Oberrod lies in Rhineland (far in the west of Germany) and the second lies in Thuringia (middle Germany) and Silesie lies far in the east.

[sarasj]

I have spent a bit of my afternoon gathering the information I have for you.

Ich habe einen Teil meines Nachmittags damit verbracht, die Informationen, die ich für Sie habe, zusammenzutragen.

SCHNEIDER INFORMATION
Johan Michael Schneider is my 3x great grandfather. His Parents are Johan Georg Schneider and Anna Marie Poul.

JOHAN GEORG SCHNEIDER
Arrival 1860 to Rimsø from Klenika in Schlesien
Census 1860 Rimsø: Age 64 (1796). House father and day laborer. Lutheran. Obberod in Schlesien.
Census 1870 Rimsø: Age 66 (1804). House father and day laborer. Catholic. Schlesien
Census 1880 Rimsø: Age 72 (1808). Widower. Lives with his son Johan. Lutheran. Prussian Schlesien

ANNA MARIE POUL
Spellings: Marie Schneider, Anna Marie Schneider, Ane Marie Poulsen
Arrival 1860 to Rimsø from Klenika in Schlesien
Census 1860 Rimsø. Age 47 (1813). His wife. Lutheran. Schlesien
Census 1870 Rimsø. Age 56 (1814). His wife. catholic. Schlesien

CHILDREN OF JOHAN & ANNA:
ANNA ELISABETH LOUISE SCHNEIDER
Spellings: Louise Schneider
Census 1860 Gjerrild: Age 24 (1834). dairy girl. Lutheran. Schlesien.
Marriage 1877 to Laurs in Rimsø. She was born in Kleinitz, Grunberg, Prussia 3. August 1834.
Census 1901 Glesborg: 24.8.1835. Widow and day laborer. Lutheran. Kejnitz at Berlin.

JOHAN MICHAEL SCHNEIDER
Arrival 1860 to Rimsø from Klenika in Schlesien
Arrival November 1860 to Rimsø from Holbæk
Census 1860 Rimsø. Age 21 (1839). Their child. Schlesien
Census 1870 Rimsø. Age 33 (1837). House father. Lutheran. Schlesien - Married to Karen
Census 1880 Rimsø. Age 43 (1837). House father and day laborer in farming. Lutheran. Prussian Schlesien - Married to Karen
Census 1901 Rimsø. 25.9.1836. House father and day laborer in the woods. Lutheran. Germany - Married to Karen
Citizenship 1907. Born 1836 in Kleinitz, Prussian, Germany. In Denmark from 1856.

CATHARINA SCHNEIDER
Census 1860 Vivild: Age 21 (1839). servant. Lutheran. Churheimen.

ANTHON SCHNEIDER
Census 1860 Grenå: Age 18 (1842). apprentice carpenter. Lutheran. Prussia.

AUGUST SCHNEIDER
Arrival 1860 to Rimsø from Klenika in Schlesien
Census 1860 Rimsø. Age 10 (1850). Their child. Schlesien
Marriage 1876 to Mette in Vejlby.
Census 1880 Rimsø. Age 30 (1850). brake guard at the Grenå track. Lutheran. Holstein- Married to Mette
Citizenship 1888. Born 1849 in Kleinitz, Prussian, Germany. In Denmark from 1849. (Must be 1859)

POULINE SCHNEIDER
Arrival 1860 to Rimsø from Klenika in Schlesien
Census 1860 Rimsø. Age 6 (1854). Their child. Schlesien

[sarasj]

Hello Sara, thank you for your answers. In the census of 1870 & 1880 it is written: Birthplace for Johann Georg Schneider is "Schlesien" or "Preusisk Schlesien". I can`t find neither Johann Georg or Johann Michael Schneider in the census of 1860, can you post a link or a picture?

Census 1870: https://www.ancestry.de/sharing/4576...223a225632227d
Census 1880: https://www.ancestry.de/sharing/4576...223a225632227d

And "Oberrod in Schlesien" - that cant be true, because one Oberrod lies in Rhineland (far in the west of Germany) and the second lies in Thuringia (middle Germany) and Silesie lies far in the east.

Almost everything in Denmark is digitized, and something is transcribed - which is what I look at most often. Found both for you. I use familysearch.org for my family tree. I love when this website finds records I have missed myself - but no luck for the Schneider family...

Fast alles in Dänemark ist digitalisiert und einiges ist transkribiert – was ich mir am häufigsten ansehe. Habe beides für dich gefunden. Ich verwende Familysearch.org für meinen Stammbaum. Ich liebe es, wenn diese Website Platten findet, die ich selbst vermisst habe – aber kein Glück für die Familie Schneider …

[Nemo63]

In the census of 1860 (by ancestry) i dont find:
Johann Georg Schneider
Johann Michael Schneider
August Schneider

I found them only in the 1870 & 1880 census.

Can you post the link or picture of the 1860 census?

Only a Anthon Schneider *1842 apprentice carpenter is in the 1860 census, but it is not save, that he is truly relatet with them (there is al lot of Schneiders in Denmark).

[Nemo63]

Ok, i found your FS-family tree & the sources. Its right, there is written "Obberod" besides to Johan Schneider. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...A1%3AQLDZ-99F9
And now we are back at the beginning of this mystery.

[Nemo63]

To unravel the mystery of Johann Georgs place of birth we need the marriage entry in the church books of Kleinitz, but these are lost or unknown, so we have no chance today.

I looked through the church book 1834-1839 of Oberrod/Elsoff, but there is no entry for a marriage of Schneider/Poul.

[sarasj]

In the census of 1860 (by ancestry) i dont find:
Johann Georg Schneider
Johann Michael Schneider
August Schneider

I found them only in the 1870 & 1880 census.

Can you post the link or picture of the 1860 census?

Only a Anthon Schneider *1842 apprentice carpenter is in the 1860 census, but it is not save, that he is truly relatet with them (there is al lot of Schneiders in Denmark).

Here you go

[sarasj]

To unravel the mystery of Johann Georgs place of birth we need the marriage entry in the church books of Kleinitz, but these are lost or unknown, so we have no chance today.

I looked through the church book 1834-1839 of Oberrod/Elsoff, but there is no entry for a marriage of Schneider/Poul.

Thank you for trying. I hoped there was something in there.
Danke für den Versuch. Ich hoffte, da war etwas drin.

[sarasj]

What about Schleusingen? I know I saw that Anna Marie Poul was supposed to be from there. I am digging through everything I can find about her here in Denmark. Is there a church book there? Perhaps her birth and their marriage can be found?

Was ist mit Schleusingen? Ich weiß, dass ich gesehen habe, dass Anna Marie Poul von dort stammen sollte. Ich durchwühle alles, was ich hier in Dänemark über sie finden kann. Gibt es dort ein Kirchenbuch? Vielleicht sind ihre Geburt und ihre Heirat zu finden?

[Gastonian]

Hi Sara:


Neither the Protestant nor the Catholic churchbooks for Schleusingen are online (Protestant ones are in the state church archive Magdeburg, Catholic ones are in the diocesan archive Erfurt).


In any case, the 1860 census says she came from Schlesien. We need the actual record mentioning "Schleusingen" to be sure that that was not just a misreading of Schlesien.


Regards


--Carl-Henry

[Nemo63]

.... just a misreading of Schlesien

Possible it comes from a suggestion by familysearch. If you enter a location, than makes FS a suggest like this:

[Horst von Linie 1]

Im Eintrag lese ich OBBEROD's.
Das könnte man auch als OPPENROD bei Gießen deuten.