Anna Elisabeth Schindel, is she the same

[josemarcosr]

I understand I asked a question yesterday, can I ask another one? Don't worry, I'm not going to do it every day, just this one that came to me now.

I want to know if these 2 Anna Elisabeth Schindel are the same from a these 2 records, a marriage and a birth one.

Marriage:

https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/en/jednostka/-/jednostka/1835319

Scan 57, Reg 46

Marriage record:
19 Aug 1832, Dabie, Kolo

Husband:
Michael Hildebrandt
21 years
Born in Ksawerow
Parents: Michael Hildebrandt & Marianna Markwart

Wife:
Anna Elisabeth Schindel
21 years
Born in Mrowna
Parents: Andreas Schindel & Marianne Deuchhof.
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Well this is one of the records to compare from Anna Elisabeth, she says that she is born in Mrowna and was born approximately in 1811 (1832 - 21 years = 1811)

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Well, searching Geneteka in the parish of Wartkowice (very close to Mrowna) (Lodzkie) I found these results:

-1811 6 Anna Elżbieta Szyndel // Andrzej & Marianna Sławecka // Wartkowice Olędry Mrowińskie
-1814 6 Dorota Szyndel // Andrzej & Marianna // Wartkowice Olędry Mrowińskie Miejsce
-1816 3 Paweł Szyndel // Andrzej & Marianna Stawecka // Wartkowice Olędry Mrowińskie
-1822 2 Michał Szyndel // Andrzej & Marianna Nikel // Wartkowice Mrówna
-1827 16 Bogusław Schyndell // Andrzej & Marianna Stawowska // Wartkowice Olędry Mrowińskie

I understand that Olędry Mrowińskie = Mrowna

Birth record:
Wartkowice
https://www.szukajwarchiwach.gov.pl/...nostka/1833138

Scan 4, Reg 6

Anna Elisabeth Schindel
16? April 1811
Olędry Mrowińskie, Wartkowice
Parents: Andreas Schindel (ev.) & Marianne Sławecka
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So I want to know if I can assume it is the same Anna Elisabeth Schindel, the only difference is the mother's last name.

I think the weak point between the 2 records is the surname of the mother (Deuchhof) in the marriage record, the surname of Deuchhof seems simply wrong to me, I didn't find any other children of the Schindel / Deuchhof couple or marriage or anything, instead I have this Schindel / Slaweck couple apparently it was a family in Mrowna and they had a daughter named Anna Elisabeth in 1811, there may have been another couple with an Andreas Schindel and a Marianna something in Mrowna who had a daughter in 1811 called Anna Elisabeth? It seems very coincidental to me, especially because the size of Mrowna, it must have been a small group of German families, not much more.

The birth record of 1811 is in a Catholic church, which is why I understand that they're more likely to write Polish surnames (PD: it's mentioned that Anna Elisabeth's father is an evangelical in 1811), however in Dabie the marriage was in a Lutheran church so I feel that they may be more likely to "Germanize" the surname "Sławecka".
I understand that there were issues with surnames that were written differently, for example among my ancestors I know the case of "Job" whose Polish form is "Kabat", or Szulc / Schulz, etc.

Could something like this have happened? Anyways I insist that Deuchhof is the weak link, in fact, I can't find it almost anywhere else in the area, she would have to be perhaps the only daughter of the couple and her mother one of the few people with that surname, the alternatives I find are Duch or Dichof, also with almost no presence in the area.

Counterpoint:
I also see that there is a daughter of the couple Andreas Schindel / Marianne de Mrowna who have a son named Michael Schindel in 1822 but the mother is Marianne Nickel, it may be another couple or the mother's last name was misspelled again.

Thanks again.

[Wolfrum]

Hello.

First of all: you can ask as many questions as you have, regardless of the days. You can also ask several in one thread.
But it makes sense to collect questions about a family in one thread.


FN Deuchhof: I am also of the opinion that it was written/heard incorrectly here or that the pastor slipped in the line when copying it. Anything is possible. zz0.sftoe6qz7zz
Variants of the name would be: Deutschhof, Deschhof, Dethhof, Denchhof.

What is correct here cannot be answered from this.
One possibility would be to find the death certificate of Anna Elisabeth Schindel and see which parents are named there.
Or you could find the allegata for the marriage mentioned.

in the Geneteka finds of births, it is probably all one family where the baptisms took place in Olędry Mrowińskie.
Marianna Nickel will be another family.


Many greetings, Christian