Ehe 1879 in Berlin

[KNOTH]

Do you think he is a portier?

[scheuck]

No, I don't. - Can't imagine a person's profession in 1879 is portier and in 1880 and/or 1916 a Fabrikant/Fabrikbesitzer.

I'm not sure this first letter is a "P", but can't read exactly

[KNOTH]

No, I don't. - Can't imagine a person's profession in 1879 is portier and in 1880 and/or 1916 a Fabrikant/Fabrikbesitzer.

I'm not sure this first letter is a "P", but can't read exactly

thank. I think so too.

[scheuck]

What's that ?????????

1. der ... Johann Christian Georg Knoth
der Persönlichkeit nach durch Taufschein
anerkannt
evangelischer Religion, geboren den 17. Juni 1855 zu Torgau
wohnhaft zu Berlin
Rüdersdorferstraße Nr. 57

2. Anne Louise Charlotte Borchardt, Handarbeiterin
der Persönlichkeit nach durch Taufschein anerkannt
evangelischer Religion, geboren den 16. Februar 1859
zu Gartz an
der Oder, wohnhaft zu Berlin
Rüdersdorferstraße Nr.37

No Knoth in Nr.57, no Bonhardt in Nr.37

I wanted to see what's written in the adress-book Berlin 1879. - Too late to think clearly???

[KNOTH]

senk you!!!! What does it mean? That they are not in the book
I know that Knoth in 1880 went to Moscow (Russia) and his fabric was in Moscow.

[scheuck]

Knoth

senk you!!!! What does it mean? That they are not in the book
I know that Knoth in 1880 went to Moscow (Russia) and his fabric was in Moscow.

If someone can't be find in an adress-book, that means he hasn't been registered, he hasn't been living permanently at a place.

I don't know where the information #13 "Drahtwarenfabrikant in 1880" came from, but ...

Are you sure he went to Moscow in 1880 exactly? - Maybe he has been living there one year before and came back to Germany to get married? Maybe he has been living in Berlin, Rüdersdorferstraße 57 together with friends (as a visitor) and went back after marriage?

Do you know when he came back from Moscow? - Looks like he came back to Germany in 1916 too just to get married, because he isn't mentioned at the adress-book 1916 (Pallasstraße 10-11) neither.

[Karla Hari]

die beiden Zeugen stehen auch nicht im Adressbuch an der angegebenen Adresse.
ich muss auch etwas korrigieren:
Sohn des Wächters Carl Knoth


das B des Familiennamens taugt als Vergleich nicht, es ist ein lat. B und kein deutsch-Kurrent


wenn man andere Urkunden des selben Schreibers sehen könnte, könnte man den Anfangsbuchstaben vergleichen.
Es ist ein N! Nadler (wenn man es weiß, kann man es auch erkennen ;-)
Vielleicht findet sich ein Kirchenbucheintrag bei Archion, aber in welcher Kirche muss man suchen?


ich bleibe übrigens bei Borchardt -Ancestry hat falsch gelesen/indexiert


Nachtrag: Bild 176 Archion: Kirche Sankt Marcus: hier steht Nadlermeister

[ReReBe]

Guten Morgen,

Karla Hari hat völlig Recht. Er ist Nadler! Das kann man auch in dem Geburtseintrag zum ersten 1880 geborenen Sohn deutlich lesen: https://www.ancestry.de/interactive/...=successSource

Die Familie wohnte hier 1880 übrigens in der Rüdersdorfer Straße 57!
Und die Ehefrau heißt auch hier eindeutig Borchardt!

Nachtrag: Der Sohn starb wenige Tage nach der Geburt: https://www.ancestry.de/interactive/...635.1556556390

Nachtrag 2: Ein Nadler war ein Hersteller (manufacturer, producer) oder Händler (merchant, dealer) von Nadeln (needels).
Er wird dann wohl in Moskau eine Nadelfabrik besessen oder geleitet haben.

Gruß
Reiner

[scheuck]

Hallo,

Karla und Reiner sei Dank ist es ein N, wer hätte das gedacht (ich jedenfalls nicht)!

[KNOTH]

I do not know if he had children in his first marriage. He had a child in Russia out of wedlock in 1888. In Moscow, almost every year, he changed his place of residence.

[KNOTH]

What is name of his son 1880? I can not find him ancesry.com

[KNOTH]

Who is Wächters?

[ReReBe]

What is name of his son 1880? I can not find him ancesry.com

The Name of the son is Carl Albert Georg Otto, born 17.1.1880 and died 29.1.1880 12 days old. The family lived in Berlin, Rüdersdorfer Straße 57.

Birth: https://www.ancestry.de/interactive/...=successSource
Death: https://www.ancestry.de/interactive/...635.1556556390

Regards
Reiner

[ReReBe]

Who is Wächters?

Wächter is the profession of CARL KNOTH (father). A Wächter is a guard/Guardian.

Reiner

[scheuck]

Knoth

I do not know if he had children in his first marriage. He had a child in Russia out of wedlock in 1888. In Moscow, almost every year, he changed his place of residence.

The 1888 born child has to be the second child within the first marriage.
That's the first child who died
The Name of the son is Carl Albert Georg Otto, born 17.1.1880 and died 29.1.1880 12 days old. The family lived in Berlin, Rüdersdorfer Straße 57.