Carl von Gämmerlee/Gamerlay from Regensburg

[littlekubo]

Good afternoon,

I got the suggestion to visit this forum in a Slovak genealogical forum. I needed help with the place of birth written in the Grunbuch of the 3rd Dragoon regiment of K u K Army. Great users here suggested the place of birth of my ancestor https://forum.ahnenforschung.net/sho...d.php?t=235326 Also, another Munsterblat was transliterated for me, and now I know much more about the military career of my ancestor Carl.

I got a recommendation to do research in the certain Church book in the Dekanat of Regensburg: https://forum.ahnenforschung.net/sho...d.php?t=235347
As a kind user on that topic says - my ancestor, Carl, is mentioned in the list of baptised children, and I did not find him on pages of the book in the years where he could be born.

There are a few mysteries for me:
The record of Carl's transfer from September 1803 says he was single, evangelic and born around June 1769

But there is a record of the marriage of Officer Carl from the Regiment he was transferred to from 28th March 1802, but it looks like he was catholic and younger

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9VF-VQ8M?i=178&cat=680396

Attached is a part of the Village book by Galizien Germans for Deutch Lednica - Wieliczka, in which I saw Carl as a cavalry officer for the first time. That time he is listed as an evangelic again. But his wife's first name is not matching, nor is the possible date of his birth.

Ancestry helped to find him in the 3rd Dragoons Regiment.

How do you understand this? Where was Carl born and was the officer who fought Napoleon's army the one whose daughter got married to Galizia or it was different person with the same name?

[Svenja]

Hi

I think you searched in the wrong parish for his birth record, because he was not born in Regensburg city. But I don't know if the place where he was born had its own parish or which other parish it belonged to. I'm not familiar with archion and don't have an account there. I remember that someone in one of your other topics already searched the catholic parish records and didn't find him.

The other marriages on the same page took place in 1803 and 1804. His marriage in March 1802 was written between two marriages in February 1804 and April 1804. I think that his marriage also took place in 1804, because in 1802 he was not part of this regiment. He was transfered in September or October 1803 from the 6th regiment to the 3rd regiment.

Regards

Svenja

[littlekubo]

Hello,

I expected Archion is going to be easier to use, but without knowing what the parish of the birthplace was, I couldn't bring pages to read from there.

The note about marriage happening in 1804 would be possible, but there is something more interesting. Carl and Katharine have daughters (as it is in the top right corner of the Grundbuch. The oldest - Karoline (Charlotte), was baptised on the same day as the marriage is recorded - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61...Q6T?cat=680396

I assume the marriage happened before becoming parents. Karoline was my direct ancestor.

[Svenja]

Hi

It says that Carolina was born on 28th March 1803, but it was recorded on the 28th March 1804.
The marriage took place on 28th March 1802, but was recorded on the 28th March 1804.
It is a matter of fact, that the father didn't belong to this regiment on March 1802 or March 1803.

Regards
Svenja

[Gastonian]

Hello Svenja and littlekubo:


According to "Biebinger" (the standard guide to Protestant churchbooks in Bavaria), until 1814 there was just one Protestant parish in Regensburg. This parish was also responsible only for the area of the Free Imperial City (Reichsstadt) Regensburg. Protestants in the outlying areas, such as the Pürklgut (which were part of the Catholic prince-bishopric [Hochstift] Regensburg) had their baptisms, marriages, and burials recorded in the local Catholic churchbooks [this might incidentally explain the confusion about his religion, if he was a Lutheran but the documentation for his baptism that he provided at his marriage came from a Catholic churchbook].



I feel confident that the baptism is not to be found in the Protestant churchbook for Regensburg. However, I have also doublechecked and likewise not found it in the Catholic churchbooks for Obertraubling (and also not in the churchbook for the Cathedral of Regensburg).


Just to reassure everyone that the whole family history is not made up - as someone mentioned in another thread, the family did exist in Amberg (which also did not have a Protestant church until 1849). Here (https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/...rtin042/?pg=43) on the right side is the register entry for the children of a Fr. Xaver Gamerle in Amberg during this period (no Carl among the children, unfortunately). The 1757 marriage record of this Georg Franz Xaver Gämerler is here (https://data.matricula-online.eu/en/...rtin019/?pg=76 top left-hand side); he was the son of schoolmaster Johannes Gämerler of Pilsach (about 18 miles SW of Amberg and about 35 miles NW of Regensburg).


Regards


--Carl-Henry

[littlekubo]

Good evening!

Svenja, many thanks. I was not seeing it. I will get through to the Chruch book of the 6th Regiment, trying to find marriage or baptism. The baptism of Karoline is added to the book on a piece of paper - as would happen to one who joined the Regiment later.

Gastonian, many thanks for clarifying the situation with Chruch records at the end of the 18th century, checking them and finding more about the family Gämerler from Amberg.