Ted, Fort Lauderdale, FL (great-great grandfather Bayern-Plalz)

[kidoncorner]

I am happy to join this forum. I am researching the roots of the RAAB family in Bayern-Pfalz in the 1800's. They lived in Göllheim and Eisenberg. I hope to visit there in 2016 or 2017 to do on-site research.

Ich bin glücklich, in diesem Forum beizutreten. Ich erforsche die Wurzeln der RAAB Familie in Bayern-Pfalz in den Jahren nach 1800. Sie lebten in Göllheim und Eisenberg. Ich hoffe, dass es im Jahr 2016 oder 2017 zu besuchen Forschung vor Ort zu tun.

[OliverS]

Hello and welcome!
Just one hint from me, the city of Eisenberg is it in Bavaria or in Rheinland-Pfalz? Because you wrote "Bayern-Pfalz" little bit suprised about this combination of countries

Eisenberg in Bayern (Bavaria) :

https://www.google.de/maps/place/87637+Eisenberg/@47.6094048,10.555228,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x479c60155d0660b1:0x41e48add78bf2e0

Eisenberg in Rheinland-Pfalz

https://www.google.de/maps/place/Eisenberg+(Pfalz)/@49.5399215,7.9722024,12z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x47963c97054ac449:0x6944601922174ac

Hope you will find your ancest. and enjoy the trip.

best regards
Oliver

[kidoncorner]

Hello and welcome!
Just one hint from me, the city of Eisenberg is it in Bavaria or in Rheinland-Pfalz? Because you wrote "Bayern-Pfalz" little bit suprised about this combination of countries

Eisenberg in Bayern (Bavaria) :

https://www.google.de/maps/place/87637+Eisenberg/@47.6094048,10.555228,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x479c60155d0660b1:0x41e48add78bf2e0

Eisenberg in Rheinland-Pfalz

https://www.google.de/maps/place/Eisenberg+(Pfalz)/@49.5399215,7.9722024,12z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x47963c97054ac449:0x6944601922174ac

Hope you will find your ancest. and enjoy the trip.

best regards
Oliver

Dear Oliver,
Thanks for showing me there are 2 Eisenbergs in Germany. I had no idea there was another Eisenberg. My ancestors came from Eisenberg (Pfalz) 67304.

There is a historical reason for this confusion.

When my paternal ancestors emigrated (1849), Pfalz was a non-contiguous part of the Kingdom of Bavaria. If you look at passenger lists or U.S. census data for that time, the people from there say they came from Bavaria. If they came from around Stuttgart, they said they were from Württemberg. Few people simply said they were from Germany.

Even as late as 1896, the German states were fiercely independent on some matters. My maternal grandfather was born in Pforzheim, Baden. But his father was born in Neuenbürg, Württemberg (11 km southwest). So when my grandfather wanted to enjoy the rights that a citizen of Baden had, he had to obtain a "Ausnahme-Urkunde" (Exception Certificate) from the Duke of Baden which allowed him to become a citizen of Baden.

Genealogy sure is interesting and gives you a perspective on history and geography that you otherwise might miss. Thank you again for your alert.

Ted
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Vielen Dank für das mir gibt es 2 Eisenbergs in Deutschland. Ich hatte keine Ahnung, es war eine andere Eisenberg. Meine Vorfahren kamen aus Eisenberg (Pfalz) 67304.

Es ist ein historischer Grund für diese Verwirrung.

Als meine Vorfahren väterlicherseits ausgewandert (1849), war Pfalz ein nicht zusammenhängende Teil des Königreichs Bayern. Wenn Sie in Passagierlisten oder US-Volkszählungsdaten für diese Zeit schauen, sagen die Leute von dort sie aus Bayern kamen. Wenn sie aus der Nähe von Stuttgart kam, sagten sie, sie von Württemberg waren. Nur wenige Menschen einfach sagten, sie aus Deutschland waren.

Noch im Jahre 1896 waren die deutschen Staaten sehr unabhängig auf einige Fragen. Mein Großvater mütterlicherseits war in Pforzheim, Baden geboren. Aber sein Vater wurde in Neuenbürg, Württemberg (11 km südwestlich) geboren. Also, wenn mein Großvater die Rechte, die ein Bürger von Baden hatte zu genießen wollte, musste er eine "ausnahme-Urkunde" (Exception-Zertifikat) aus dem Herzog von Baden zu erhalten, die ihm erlaubt, ein Bürger von Baden zu werden.

Genealogie ist sicher interessant und gibt Ihnen eine Perspektive auf Geschichte und Geographie, die Sie sonst verpassen könnte. Nochmals vielen Dank für Ihre Warnung vor.

[tvogel17]

Hi Ted,

were your ancestors evangelical or catholic?
Lutheran churchbooks might be available on www.archion.de.
If can you can provide some more details I'll have a try searching there.

Regards.

Thomas

[kidoncorner]

Hi Ted,

were your ancestors evangelical or catholic?
Lutheran churchbooks might be available on www.archion.de.
If can you can provide some more details I'll have a try searching there.

Regards.

Thomas

Thank you Thomas, for your offer. To the best of my knowledge they were Lutherisch. The oldest is Theodor Phillip Joseph RAAB, born 1799 in Ingolstad, Bayern, died 11 May 1859 in Göllheim, Pfalz, Bayern. Married to Johanna Josepha Heid, b 1808 in Würzburg, Bayern, died 14 May 1878 in Göllheim, Pfalz, Bayern . Her father was Johann Heid and mother was Maria Margareta Retting.

I looked at the website you recommended but could not find churchbooks on line for any of the above towns. However, a I a list of the books available in the Zentra Archiv der Ev. Kirche der Pfalz, Speyer. It lists a lot of books for towns not available on line (such as Eisenberg-Plalz and Göllheim). I guess I must go there personally to do a search.

Ted
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Danke Thomas, für Ihr Angebot. Nach bestem Wissen und Gewissen waren sie Lutherisch. Der älteste Theodor Phillip Joseph RAAB ist, geboren 1799 in Ingolstad, Bayern, gestorben 11. Mai 1859 in Göllheim, Pfalz, Bayern. Verheiratet mit Johanna Josepha Heid, b 1808 in Würzburg, Bayern, gestorben 14. Mai 1878 in Göllheim, Pfalz, Bayern. Ihr Vater war Johann Heid und Mutter war Maria Margareta Retting.

Ich sah Sie auf der Website zu empfehlen, aber konnte nicht Kirchenbücher auf der Linie für eine der oben genannten Städte zu finden. Allerdings ist eine ich eine Liste der verfügbaren Bücher im Zentra Archiv der Ev. Kirche der Pfalz, Speyer. Es listet viele Bücher für die Städte nicht auf Linie (wie Eisenberg-Plalz und Göllheim). Ich glaube, ich muss gehen dort persönlich eine Suche zu tun.

Ted

[tvogel17]

Hi Ted,

I've had a look at the evangelical churchbooks for Göllheim. Unfortunately the names you mentioned do not appear.
Now, I tend to say your Raab family was rather catholic than lutheran - because Würzburg as well as Ingolstadt were traditionally catholic areas. Also, the names Joseph and Josepha to my experience were not so common in lutheran regions.
The church at Göllheim was used by both confessions but the catholic churchbooks you will find at the diocesan archive in Speyer (http://www.landeshauptarchiv.de/wir-...nis/index.html).
You may address your questions to the archive directly.

I'm sorry not to be able to give you more details regarding your family.
Good luck for your further research.

Thomas

[Cardamom]

Hallo Ted,

I found your ancestor Theodor Phillip Joseph RAAB, born 1799 in Ingolstadt, in the data of a todays researcher, who´s family name is also Raab.
I´ll send you the Email to get contact with him.

Good luck

Cornelia

[kidoncorner]

Church records in Unterfranken, Bayern

Thank to this forum, I have found many RAAB ancestors. It appears that some came from Burkardroth (near Bad Kissingen, Unterfranken, Bavaria) in the time period of 1590 to 1650, then later from Würzburg. I believe they were Catholic, but it is possible they were Evangelical. I have done an on-line search for church records from the parish of Burkardroth both in Catholic and Evangelical archives but I cannot find any from Burkardroth or Würzburg listed. I have also emailed the parish priest in Burkardroth to ask for his help without any reply.

If anyone can guide me as to where such records are archived, I would be very appreciative.

Ted
Fort Lauderdale, Florida USA

[Svenja]

Hi Ted

The Catholic churchbooks of Würzburg are in the Diözesanarchiv in Würzburg.

http://www.archiv.bistum-wuerzburg.de/familienforschung

Regards
Svenja