[gelöst] Help translating bride of a wedding from 1853

[milutinus123]

Quelle bzw. Art des Textes: Marriage
Jahr, aus dem der Text stammt: 1853
Ort und Gegend der Text-Herkunft: St. Josef ob der Laimgrube
Namen um die es sich handeln sollte: Johann Gruber

Hello,

could anyone help me decipher Johann Grubers wifes name and her parents? (2nd entry on the right side)

http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/06-st-josef-ob-der-laimgrube/02-12/?pg=93

Thank you in advance!

[milutinus123]

And any help with translating the first entry (Kaspar Gruber) here:

http://data.matricula-online.eu/en/oesterreich/wien/07-st-ulrich/02-28/?pg=553

Thanks

[Karla Hari]

hola,


Aloysia Lindner,
Modistin, gebürtig
von Wien, des Franz
Lindner Amtsbo-
then lebend und
der Josepha geb.
Resch gestorben
ehel Tochter

Bride: Aloysia Lindner
Parents: Franz Lindner and Josepha geb. Resch

[Karla Hari]

No.174 8 September
Kaspar Gruber ledigen Stands ein Posamentirer, wohnhaft im
Degen(?) am oberen Gut, gebürtig von Stangau aus
Böhmen mit der ehrsamen Franziska Holerin ledigen Stands
wohnhaft in Posthörnl am oberen Gut, gebürtig in
Wien, des Johann Holler eines Maurerpoliers und
Klara beider im Leben eheliche Tochter Zum 1. mahl 2. 3.
Test. Franz Mees Burgerlich Sticker No 109 M Hülf(?)
Anton Lachenmayer Bürgerlicher Schustermeister No 79. M. hil.(?)

[Anna Sara Weingart]

Aloysia Lindner,
Modistin, gebürtig
von Wien, des Franz
Lindner Amtsbo-
then lebend und
der Josepha geb.
Resch gestorben
ehel Tochter

Translation:

Aloysia Lindner,
Modistin [= maker and seller of fashion clothing], born
in Wien, of the Franz
Lindner, Amtsbote [= official messenger],
alive, and
of the Josepha, née
Resch, deceased,
martial daughter


Notice: nowadays, the word Modistin (english: milliner) has an other meaning in Germany: just hat maker.
Comparable to this explanation of the english word "milliner": "Historically, milliners, typically women shop-keepers, produced or imported an inventory of garments for men, women, and children, and sold these garments in their millinery shop." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatmaking

[milutinus123]

No.174 8 September
Kaspar Gruber ledigen Stands ein Posamentirer, wohnhaft im
Degen(?) am oberen Gut, gebürtig von Stangau aus
Böhmen mit der ehrsamen Franziska Holerin ledigen Stands
wohnhaft in Posthörnl am oberen Gut, gebürtig in
Wien, des Johann Holler eines Maurerpoliers und
Klara beider im Leben eheliche Tochter Zum 1. mahl 2. 3.
Test. Franz Mees Burgerlich Sticker No 109 M Hülf(?)
Anton Lachenmayer Bürgerlicher Schustermeister No 79. M. hil.(?)

Is there any way to decipher the parish he was born in?
And who is Johan Holler?

[Zita]

Dear milutinus,

the birth place of Kaspar is "Stangau in Böhmen", Stankov (in Bohemia) in Czech language. There are several places called Stankov, but I assume that this might be the right one as "Posamentierer" usually were working in bigger places.

http://www.portafontium.de/iipimage/30068513

http://www.portafontium.de/iipimage/30068505

Unfortunately there is no index so you have read every page.

Johann Holer is the father of the bride Franziska.

Zita

[milutinus123]

Dear milutinus,

the birth place of Kaspar is "Stangau in Böhmen", Stankov (in Bohemia) in Czech language. There are several places called Stankov, but I assume that this might be the right one as "Posamentierer" usually were working in bigger places.

http://www.portafontium.de/iipimage/30068513

http://www.portafontium.de/iipimage/30068505

Unfortunately there is no index so you have read every page.

Johann Holer is the father of the bride Franziska.

Zita

Thank you Zita!!
I will take a look. How come it says Franziska HolerIN and her father is Johann Holer, why not the same last name?

Also, is it possible to decipher where Franziska is from? Posthörnl isn't giving me any results.

[Zita]

Hi,

the suffix -in shows the female form of the name.

"Posthörndl" was the name of a house (probably there was a post horn drawn on the wall). This article tells you where you can find "Oberes Gut": https://www.geschichtewiki.wien.gv.a...tift_(Vorstadt) At around 1750 it was part of the parish called "St. Ulrich".

The name "Holer" might vary so look also for Holler, Hollerer, and perhaps Höller and Heller.

Zita

[milutinus123]

Hi,

the suffix -in shows the female form of the name.

"Posthörndl" was the name of a house (probably there was a post horn drawn on the wall). This article tells you where you can find "Oberes Gut": https://www.geschichtewiki.wien.gv.a...tift_(Vorstadt) At around 1750 it was part of the parish called "St. Ulrich".

The name "Holer" might vary so look also for Holler, Hollerer, and perhaps Höller and Heller.

Zita

Thank you for the help!

So I might find it here http://data.matricula-online.eu/en/o.../07-st-ulrich/ ?

[Zita]

That is right: you might find more information here. But even then people moved, changed there working places,...

Just try!
Zita

[milutinus123]

That is right: you might find more information here. But even then people moved, changed there working places,...

Just try!
Zita