Twin-sisters Emma Hirsch and Lina Hirsch

[Kasstor]

marriage data:
Simon Friedlaender, * Feb 6, 1858 Mikultschuetz, Upper Silesia.
F. Joseph F., merchant
M. Friederike, nee Jottkowitz, both deceased, last place of residence Mikoltschuetz.

Thomas

[Martina Rohde]

Thank you very much Martina Rohde,

Why do you think that Friedrich Friedländer is born in 1888 and not on 26-08-1882 at Berlin?

With the best regards,
Els

Das war sicher nur ein Schreibfehler

https://www.ancestry.de/interactive/5753/41540_prep503_000036-00391/387532?backurl=https://www.ancestry.de/family-tree/person/tree/83755426/person/400164777645/facts

[Martina Rohde]

Der Stiefvater von Emma und Lina hieß Löb Adler, war im Mai 1884 schon verstorben

[Martina Rohde]

Arthur Friedländer stirbt 1915 https://www.ancestry.de/interactive/...nSearchResults

[Martina Rohde]

noch ein Sohn Friedländer:
Julius *1885 in Bessungen

https://www.ancestry.de/interactive/61117/bessungen_89_1884-1887-00319/1302360?backurl=https%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.de%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fgst%3d-6&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults

[els]

Thank you all very, very much! It is overwhelming!

This is what I understood.

Lina Hirsch was born on 02-03-1862 in Arheilgen, Germany, daughter of Malchen Hirsch. Lina died on 31-01-1942 in Apeldoorn, aged 79. At the age of 27, Lina married Mozes de Jong, aged 42, on 13-06-1889 in Standesamt: Berlin XII. Mozes was born on 25-03-1847 in Zwolle, son of Jacob Izak de Jong and Elisabeth (Betje) Polak. Mozes died on 31-10-1914 in Amsterdam, aged 67. Mozes was widower of Grietje van Rhijn (1850-1883), whom he married on 07-05-1879 in Amsterdam.
Children of Lina and Mozes:
1 Herman Johan (Harry) de Jong, born on 30-03-1890 in Hamburg, Germany.
2 Amalia Sophia de Jong, born on 12-07-1892 in Helsingfors, Finland.
3 Julius (Jules) de Jong, born on 12-09-1894 in Kreuznach, Germany.

Julius (Jules) de Jong (cellist) was born on 12-09-1894 in Kreuznach, Germany, son of Mozes de Jong and Lina Hirsch. Jules died on 03-10-1978 in Hilversum, aged 84.
At the age of 27, Jules married Irma Tworoger, aged 25, on 07-12-1921 in Berlin, Germany. Irma was born on 11-06-1896 in Wieschowa, Germany (now Poland), daughter of Salo Tworoger and Friederike Friedländer. Irma died on 23-04-1943 in Sobibor, Poland, aged 46. They did not have children.
https://www.joodsmonument.nl/en/page/210141/irma-de-jong-tworoger


Emma Hirsch was born on 02-03-1862 in Arheilgen, Germany, daughter of Malchen Hirsch. Emma died on 30-07-1942 in Theresienstadt, Czech Republic, aged 80. At the age of 22, Emma married Simon Friedländer, aged 26, on 07-05-1884 in Arheilgen, Germany. Simon was born on 06-02-1858 in Mikultschütz, Oberschlesien, Germany, son of Joseph Friedländer and Friederike Jottkowitz.
Children of Emma and Simon:
1 Julius Friedländer, born on 07-04-1885 in Bessungen, Germany.
2 Friedrich Friedländer, born on 26-08-1888 in Berlin, Germany.
3 Arthur Friedländer, born on 08-09-1892 in Berlin, Germany. Arthur died on 23-08-1915 in WWI, aged 22.

Julius Friedländer (confectioner) was born on 07-04-1885 in Bessungen, Germany, son of Simon Friedländer and Emma Hirsch. Julius died on 23-10-1950, aged 65. He was buried in Lincolnwood, Cook County, Illinois, USA. At the age of 36, Julius married Friederike (Frieda) Schaal, aged 39, on 11-07-1921 in Berlin, Germany. Frieda was born on 24-06-1882 in Zernitz, Germany, daughter of Löbel Schaal and Jenny Tichauer. Frieda died on 13-01-1973, aged 90. She was buried in Lincolnwood, Cook County, Illinois, USA.
1939: Hufelandstraße 11, Berlin, Prenzlauer Berg.
Oct 26, 1939: Passenger list SS Rotterdam (Rotterdam – New York) arrived NYC Oct 26, 1939 shows Julius and Friederike, no children, relative in Germany: mother (in-law) E Friedlaender Hufelandstraße 11, Berlin, address of relative in US: cousin Alice Weil, Chicago.
1942: place of residence: Chicago, Illinois, USA.

Friedrich Friedländer was born on 26-08-1888 in Berlin, Germany, son of Simon Friedländer and Emma Hirsch. Friedrich died in 1943 in Theresienstadt, Czech Republic, aged 54 or 55. At the age of 23, Friedrich married Bajla Wischek, aged 28, on 06-03-1912 in Standesamt: Berlin I, II. The marriage was dissolved in 1921 in Giessen. Bajla was born on 11-02-1884.
It is not know if Friedrich and Bajla had children or that Friedrich or Bajla lateron remarried and had children.
1939: lived in Heroldstraße 77, Dortmund.

Maybe if Julius and/or Friedrich Friedländer had children who survived warII than a picture of Irma Tworoger as grown-up is maybe, maybe a possibility. That would be a miracle!

[Martina Rohde]

Julius und Friedrich haben zumindest 1938 noch gelebt, da auf den Urkunden der Zwangsname Israel eingetragen ist. Durch den deutschen Datenschutz wird es aber sehr schwer da dann Nachkommen zu finden.

[Martina Rohde]

Name: Julius Friedlander Geschlecht: Male (Männlich) Rasse: White (Weißer) Alter an diesem Wohnort: 57 Geburtsdatum: 7. Apr 1885 Geburts*ort: Bessingen, Germany (Deutschland) Datum des Aufenthalts: 1942 Wohnort: Chicago, Illinois, USA

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[Martina Rohde]

Julius hat auch geheiratet wie es scheint...

https://www.ancestry.de/interactive/61196/007773974_00897?pid=989485&backurl=https://search.ancestry.de/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DqVF13715%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26gss%3Dangs-g%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26gsfn%3DJulius%26gsfn_x%3D0%26gsln%3DFriedl%25C3%25A4nder%26gsln_x%3D0%26msbdy_x%3D1%26msbdy%3D1885%26msbpn__ftp%3DBessungen%2520(Hessen)%26msbpn%3D30334%26msbpn_PInfo%3D5-%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C3253%257C0%257C30334%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C0%257C%26msrpn__ftp%3DSheridan,%2520Chicago,%2520Illinois,%2520USA%26msrpn%3D36829%26msrpn_PInfo%3D8-%257C0%257C1652393%257C0%257C2%257C0%257C16%257C0%257C730%257C36829%257C0%257C0%257C%26msfng%3DSimon%26msfns%3DFriedl%25C3%25A4nder%26msmng%3DEmma%26msmns%3DHirsch%26msbng%3DFriedrich%26msbns%3DFriedl%25C3%25A4nder%26msbng1%3DArthur%26msbns1%3DFriedl%25C3%25A4nder%26_83004003-n_xcl%3Df%26cp%3D0%26catbucket%3Drstp%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3Dm4p%26ssrc%3Dpt_t83755426_p400164780621%26pcat%3DROOT_CATEGORY%26h%3D989485%26dbid%3D61196%26indiv%3D1%26ml_rpos%3D2&ssrc=pt_t83755426_p400164780621&treeid=83755426&personid=400164780621&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=qVF13715&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true

[Martina Rohde]

Hier ist die Frau vom Julius Friedländer https://www.ancestry.de/interactive/...nSearchResults

[els]

Thank you very much Martina Rohde.

I have no access to ancesty, but I found:

Julius Friedländer was born on 07-04-1885 in Bessungen, Germany, son of Simon Friedländer and Emma Hirsch. Julius died on 23-10-1950, aged 65. He was buried in Lincolnwood, Cook County, Illinois, USA. Julius married Frieda. Frieda was born on 24-06-1882. Frieda died on 13-01-1973, aged 90. She was buried in Lincolnwood, Cook County, Illinois, USA.

[Martina Rohde]

In den Papieren heißt sie Friederike, aber es ist kein Geburtsname angegeben. *14.6.1882 in Deutsch Zernitz oder Zamitz, es steht unterschiedlich da.
Heirat 11.07.1921 in Berlin.
Die Ehe könnte man http://www.content.landesarchiv-berl...show/index.php hier suchen, macht aber viel Arbeit.

[els]

The grave of Julius and Friederike (Frieda):

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/99548837

[DaveMaestro]

Hi there,

in Berlin Charlottenburg III i found a marriage Friedländer...., its possible that dthis marriage was in November....

P REP 555 Nr. 604
Greetings Dave

[DaveMaestro]

In Charlottenburg I eine Friedländer Ehe im Jahr 1922

Ich habe Charlottenburg I bis III 1921 durchgesehen und Berlin XIIa und XIIb.

Gruß Dave