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Alt 12.04.2018, 06:16
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Standard Ich habe ein paar Fragen über Banat-Schwaben in der österreichischen Armee und darüber, ob meine Fa

Englisch ist meine erste Sprache, sorry für irgendwelche Fehler!

Meine Familie kam aus Buzias, Timisoara, Österreich-Ungarn. Wie Sie sehen können, waren sie Banater Schwaben. Ich habe mich gefragt, ob irgendwelche Banat-Schwaben in ww1 gekämpft haben? Oder irgendwelche Österreicher Kriege vor ww1?

Auch als Banat-Schwaben sich dem Militär anschlossen, schlossen sie sich österreichisch-deutschen Regimentern oder osteuropäischen rumänischen / ungarischen Regimentern an?

Eine andere Frage, die ich habe, ist, ob die Banater Schwaben als Österreicher betrachtet wurden oder ob sie von Österreichern herabgesehen wurden.

Ich habe gelesen, dass viele der Banater Schwaben aus Timisoara von österreichischen Militärs und zivilen Gouverneuren abstammen. Ich denke, es wäre sehr cool und interessant, wenn ich von einem österreichischen Soldaten abstamme. Wenn ihr mir helfen könntet, würde ich es sehr sehr schätzen!

Mein großer Urgroßvater John (Johannes) George Hilger wurde am 25. Mai 1883 in Buzias Timisoara Österreich-Ungarn geboren. Er emigrierte 1903 nach Amerika. Sein Vater wurde auch Johannes genannt (Johannes möglicherweise in Deutsch?), Aber ich habe keine Informationen auf ihn wirklich. Ich weiß, dass mein Ur-Urgroßvater John George Hilger eine Frau namens Anna Hilger heiratete (Mädchenname Hilger zu komisch genug ...), die 1885 in Österreich Ungarn geboren wurde, möglicherweise Hodoni, aber ich bin mir nicht sicher.

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree...99386105/facts

Hier ist ein Link zu meinem ancestry.com Profi auf John Hilger. Ich habe eine Sackgasse erreicht und kann nicht weiter an ihm vorbeikommen, um zu sehen, woher seine Familie vor Timisoara kam oder ob er eine Familie in der österreichischen Armee hatte.

Noch einmal jede Hilfe, die Sie mir geben können, um mir zu helfen, mehr über mein Erbe und Familie zu lernen, wird so sehr geschätzt!
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Alt 12.04.2018, 13:26
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... ob die Banater Schwaben als Österreicher betrachtet wurden oder ob sie von Österreichern herabgesehen wurden....
Hello Greg
You use the term "Banater Schwaben". This term first appeared in the 20th century, created to describe the origin of some of the German settlers, who came to the Banat in the 18th century: Swabia. But only a part of the settlers came from Swabia. And we also don't know, if the settlers, who came from this region, which we today describe with the word "Swabia", had themselves called Swabians (Schwaben).
What we do know is, that, if the German settlers were asked from where they came, they named the name of the sovereign state of their origin. But a state with the name Swabia didn't exist in the 18th century. Instead, the countries of origin were called "Württemberg", "Nassau", "Baden-Durlach" etc.

The settlers from (for example) Württemberg themselves called "Württemberger" and not "Swabians", even though Württemberg was part of a greater region, which was sometimes called Swabia. When the Württemberger emigrated in the 18th century to the sovereign state of Austria, they received a passport from their new state. From this moment they were citizen of the state of Austria.

Conclusion: They had become Austrians with the same rights like all other citizen. The term "Banater Schwaben" is a brainchild of the 20th century.
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Alt 12.04.2018, 13:55
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... Er emigrierte 1903 nach Amerika ....
If you are wondering about his motivation to emigrate: the people of the Banat had been forced to become Hungarian-speaker, and therefore to loose their German identity.
Since the national revolution of the Hungarians in the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the mid of the 19th century, the Hungarians had reached more power in their part of the empire. The Banat was in the Hungarian part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Learning Hungarian was made mandatory for the German childs. All lessons at school were given in Hungarian.
The German people in the Banat in the beginning of the 19th century lived in a German state, they had German schools. But at the end of the century it had changed, the Germans in the Banat lived in a Hungarian state with a language they didn't understand and didn't like. Therefore, it was easier to reache social increase in the USA.

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Alt 12.04.2018, 16:28
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If you are wondering about his motivation to emigrate: the people of the Banat had been forced to become Hungarian-speaker, and therefore to loose their German identity.
Since the national revolution of the Hungarians in the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the mid of the 19th century, the Hungarians had reached more power in their part of the empire. The Banat was in the Hungarian part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Learning Hungarian was made mandatory for the German childs. All lessons at school were given in Hungarian.
The German people in the Banat in the beginning of the 19th century lived in a German state, they had German schools. But at the end of the century it had changed, the Germans in the Banat lived in a Hungarian state with a language they didn't understand and didn't like. Therefore, it was easier to reache social increase in the USA.
I’m glad you understand English because google translate German is probably horrible. I’ll post my post again but in Bengali dh as it may be easier for you to understand then my horrendous German.


My family came from Buzias, Timisoara, Austria-Hungary. As you can see, they were Banat Swabians. I was wondering if any Banat Swabians fought in ww1? Or any Austrian wars before ww1?
Even when Banat Swabians did join the military, did they join Austrian-German regiments or Eastern Romanian / Hungarian regiments?
Another question I have is whether the Banat Swabians were considered pure Austrians or whether they were looked down on by Austrians for being Eastern Europeanized germans?

I have read that many of the Banat Swabians from Timisoara are descended from Austrian military and civil governors. I think it would be very cool and interesting if I was descended from an Austrian soldier or governor. If you could help me, I would really appreciate it!
My great great-grandfather John (Johannes) George Hilger was born on May 25, 1883 in Buzias Timisoara Austria-Hungary. He emigrated to America in 1903. His father was also called John (Johannes possibly in German?), But I do not really have any information on him. I know that my great-great-grandfather John George Hilger married a woman named Anna Hilger (maiden name Hilger too funny enough ...) who was born in Austria in 1885, possibly Hodoni, but I'm not sure.
https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree...99386105/facts
Here is a link to my ancestry.com professional on John Hilger. I have reached a dead end and can not get past him to see where his family came from before Timisoara or if he had a family in the Austrian army.
Once again any help you can give me to help me learn more about my heritage and family is so much appreciated!
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Alt 12.04.2018, 16:29
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*but in English not Bengali. Lol sorry I’m on my phone trying this.
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Alt 12.04.2018, 20:34
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If you are wondering about his motivation to emigrate: the people of the Banat had been forced to become Hungarian-speaker, and therefore to loose their German identity.
Since the national revolution of the Hungarians in the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the mid of the 19th century, the Hungarians had reached more power in their part of the empire. The Banat was in the Hungarian part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Learning Hungarian was made mandatory for the German childs. All lessons at school were given in Hungarian.
The German people in the Banat in the beginning of the 19th century lived in a German state, they had German schools. But at the end of the century it had changed, the Germans in the Banat lived in a Hungarian state with a language they didn't understand and didn't like. Therefore, it was easier to reache social increase in the USA.
Thanks so much for the reply that is Very interesting. I did read a bit about that, tha after 1890 Hungary started Magyarizing really hard. I also read that banat Sherman’s left for America to go and make some money with the goal of returning to Hungary able to buy land, but most just ended up staying in America.
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