[gelöst] Leopold Wast(e)l in Kirchberg am Walde, 1791

[JPmiaou]

Quelle bzw. Art des Textes: Taufbuch
Jahr, aus dem der Text stammt: 1791
Ort und Gegend der Text-Herkunft: Kirchberg am Walde, Niederösterreich
Namen um die es sich handeln sollte: Leopold Wastel and parents

As threatened ::ahem, sorry:: promised, a new thread for a new question caused by answers to a previous question:

http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/st-poelten/kirchberg-am-walde/01-07/?pg=27

Matricula Online / Österreich / St. Pölten, rk. Diözese (westliches Niederösterreich) / Kirchberg am Walde / Taufbuch | 01-07 / 02-Taufe_0026


Best I can do:


1791
Octobris
Nicolaus Lang Coopt.
19
Nro 77
Leopoldus
Katholisch, Knab, Ehelich
Joseph? Wastl Taglohner ...
Elisabeth geboren B... v F...
Johann Koller und Magdalena L... u F...
geboren ... 7 Uhr ... ... 9 Uhr

[Zita]

Best I can do:

Hi,


it is not that bad...

1791
Octobris
Nicolaus Lang Coopt.
19
Nro 77
Leopoldus
Katholisch, Knabe, Ehelich

Joseph Nastl
Taglöhner alhier

Elisabeth gebohr-
ne Braunseisin v[on]
Frauberg

Johann Koller und Magdalena

Bauer von Frauberg
geboren umb 7 Uhr frühe
getaufet umb 9 Uhr

The father's surname is "Nastl" instead of "Wastl". Obviously somebody has made a mistake (here or in Vienna).

LG Zita

[Stuttgart]

Hi,
kennst du das:

https://genteam.at/index.php?option=com_matriken_kath

LG Mathilde

[JPmiaou]

Mathilde, yes, thank you, I use GenTeam in conjunction with Matricula regularly -- most of the time, I can't read the registers well enough to find anything in them without the index.


On the question of that pesky surname: every detail matches the marriage record except for the N instead of W. It has to be the right people, right? I can't find a W in the register to see how different it would be from the N: is it just a missing stroke, that is, would a momentary lapse in the writer's attention account for it?

[JPmiaou]

Can anyone comment on the Wastl versus Nastl question? As I said months ago, every detail matches the person (or people) that I believe had the name Wastel or Wastl, but Zita says it has an N here, not a W.

[Gandalf]

Nastl ....

[kinachi]

Wastl/Wastel in Tirol is the nic name of Sebastian

[Horst von Linie 1]

Guten Morgen,
eindeutig Nastl. Nie und immer Wastl.
Ganz unten ein Lehrer Weinkopf.

[Gandalf]

Bei seiner Taufe 1791 heißt er Nastl, bei seiner Heirat 1828 Wastl ....

[JPmiaou]

Gandalf, yes, that's what I've found, too. It's also a W at his death in 1847 (http://data.matricula-online.eu/en/o.../03-06/?pg=276) -- it exactly matches the W written in "Kirchberg am Wald".


I've found the same information as Kinachi mentioned, that Wastel is a Bavarian variant on Bastel from Sebastian, but I can find nothing on Nastl or Nastel. (Besides the fact that it clearly occurs as a surname.) Does anyone know of some process -- phonetic or lexical or something else -- that could turn the one name into the other?

[JPmiaou]

Marriage of Leopold's parents: http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/o...de/02-07/?pg=3
(Last entry on page)
Definitely looks like an N here, although it's different from the N used in the abbreviation for "number".
I can't find any other Leopold _astls born in 1791 in Kirchberg am Walde, it's gotta be him, but how did the N turn into a W?

[kinachi]

In Tirol, which has the same backgroung as Bavaria, family names often come from First Names. So its absolutely possible that the first to be named was a Sebastian, called "Wastl", probably around the year 1500. And, since many children were born, but fewer survived to grow up and even fewer got married, marriage was taken more seriously. So at marriage the descripton and writing was more accurate than at birth remarks and sometimes writing errors occur too, which I have seen already a couple of times.

[Zita]

Hi,

so we have the following situation:

Leopold (born Nastl) left his village to live in Vienna. With him he carried his certificate of baptism.

This certificate is our black box:
either the parish priest in Kirchberg did not write readable
or the writer in Vienna did not read thoroughly

As all other data are the same both in Kirchberg and in Vienna, I think it is the same person.

Zita

[Wanderer40]

Hi,

As Zita already wrote, the parish priest wasn´t writing the name correct.
The family Wastl is one my ancestors and you will only find this family in Weissenalbern, Hirschbach and Kirchberg/Walde.

The family Wästl ist originally from Clestl, Bohemia and a Matthias Wästl had married in 1725 in Weissenalbern Eva Wolf.
From his second marriage in 1751 with Barbara Raböck in Hirschbach you will find a birth register of one son Joseph in 1752 which is your researched Joseph.
Remark: in this book you will also find a Joseph born in 1758, but that Joseph died already one day later.

Best regrads
Wanderer40

[Gandalf]

Hallo Wanderer40

aber hier wird doch ein Josephus Nast(e)l gesucht, der laut Heiratsurkunde um 1758 geboren sein müßte ....