Help on Archion

[conita_]

Hello to everyone!! I'm writing from Argentina, trying to find information about my ancestors. I wrote to the Pinneberg church archives, and they told me that I should look on Archion to get the documents.
The thing is I don't have a subscription, and now sadly we are living a very big economic crisis in my country so every payment in other currencies is impossible for me. Is there anyone who has a subscription and can help me?
I'm looking for births, baptisms, marriages, deaths or any other document regarding Ernst Heinrich Polemann (aparently born in 1740, and death in 1786 in Altona), he was a lawyer in Pinneberg. And his son Hans Friederich Gustav born on 14. Oct 1768 in Pinneberg apparently.

I truly appraciete the help anyone can give me, or maybe there are other documents regarding my Polemann ancestors on Archion.
Thank you so much, my best greetings from Argentina!

[Timo Ti]

Hola conita:


Church records of Pinneberg aren't online (yet?) but (EDIT: Apparently wrong) so far I've found a possible death record for Ernst Heinrich Polemann:

1786
[...]
September
[...]
91 ? Ernst Hinr. Pohlmann Bau-Direktor, gestorben den 1ten und alt 45 Jahr 9 Monat 18 Tage.

He died on September 1st, 1786. According to this record his last occupation was "construction director" and he was 45 years, 9 months and 18 days old when passing away. If you like to have the original record please send a private message which includes your e-mail address.


Link to the original record: http://www.archion.de/p/e51a36a386/



I'm looking for his baptism record now :-)

EDIT: I couldn't find a baptism record in (Hamburg-)Altona HK St. Trinitatis. I checked all 3 baptism books that cover December 1740 (calculated date of birth according to his death record)


Saludos,


Timo

[Kasstor]

Hallo Timo,

da musst Du unter Rellingen schauen.


Thomas

[Timo Ti]

Hallo Timo,

da musst Du unter Rellingen schauen.


Thomas

Du meinst sicher wegen Pinneberg, richtig?


Timo

[conita_]

Hello and thank you very much!!! This is great, I had the information that he was a Bank Manager in Altona (where he died). I don't know where he was born, but according to the person from the Pinneberg church archiv everything regarding Pinneberg shoul be under the church of Rellingen.
I think that Ernst father was Gustav Polemann (and he was also apparently born on Pinneberg)

Is there anything regarding Hans Friederich Gustav?
I will write you a message because I can't access to the link you gave me because I don't have permission.
Once again THANK YOU

[Timo Ti]

Is there anything regarding Hans Friederich Gustav?

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any record regarding to Hans Friedrich Gustav . There are 3 "baptism books" in Rellingen that cover 1768 but he didn't seem to be among them. One book was really hard to read but I'm pretty sure that the only child being born on October 14th, 1768 in this book was a female...


Sorry there aren't any good news


Timo

[conita_]

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any record regarding to Hans Friedrich Gustav . There are 3 "baptism books" in Rellingen that cover 1768 but he didn't seem to be among them. One book was really hard to read but I'm pretty sure that the only child being born on October 14th, 1768 in this book was a female...


Sorry there aren't any good news


Timo

Nontheless I thank your enormous help!!
I'm trying to find who was the father of Ernst (because this is my direct line of ancestors)... probably his father was the advocate at the government and the court of appeal at Pinneberg Gustav Polemann who is recorded to have been appointed as administator of the assets of two officials there in 1745 (according to what I have found). Is there any other Polemann in Archion, maybe under this name?

best regards!!

[conita_]

Once again, hello!
As I move further on the search of my ancestors, I found out that some of them were born and lived in Osnabrück: Johann(es) Polemann (born in 1623), Lambert Polemann (I don't know when he was born, but he died in 1628 and was a lawyer and also was a procurator and notary public in Tecklenburg), and Luebbert Polemann (of whom I don't have any information but I think he was Lambert's father).
Can anyone please help me on finding them on Archion? I thank you very very much in advance

[DoroJapan]

Hello conita,

unfortunately there are no church records on archion available for Osnabrück 1623

I guess you already found this book:Gelehrten - Leriko [Lexikon] by Christian Gottlieb Joecher

greetings
Doro

[conita_]

Thank you very much! I'm trying to read the document but as I (sadly) don't speak german, I don't understand it very well. If it's not too much to ask, can you help me in understanding it? I thank you in advance

Hello conita,

unfortunately there are no church records on archion available for Osnabrück 1623

I guess you already found this book:Gelehrten - Leriko [Lexikon] by Christian Gottlieb Joecher

greetings
Doro

[scheuck]

Hallo, zusammen!

"unfortunately there are no church records on archion available for Osnabrück 1623"

Das heißt ja nicht zwingend, dass es im Evangelischen Kirchenbucharchiv Osnabrück selbst auch nichts gibt, oder? - Okay, die Frage wird eher sein, ob es zur entsprechenden Zeit überhaupt noch Aufzeichnungen gibt.

Müsste man die entsprechende Gemeinde noch kennen . So groß ist die "Auswahl" nicht; die Katharinenkirche kommt in Frage, die Marienkirche ebenfalls

Wenn die Archive Anfang Dezember hoffentlich wieder geöffnet sind, habe ich eh eine "to do-Liste" für's Kirchenbucharchiv und könnte nachsehen ...

@Conita:
I asked the users:

That doesn't necessarily mean that there is nothing in the Protestant church register archive in Osnabrück itself, does it? - Okay, the question is more whether there are still records for this time anyway
One should still know the parish . The "selection" is not that big; the Katharinenkirche comes into question, the Marienkirche too

When the archives are open in early December, I will have a "to-do list" for church book archives and can look it up.

There is a special community regarding "Tecklenburger Land"

http://www.te-gen.de/

Maybe they can help? - I'm sure, questions in English will be answered.

[DoroJapan]

Hallo, zusammen!

"unfortunately there are no church records on archion available for Osnabrück 1623"

Das heißt ja nicht zwingend, dass es im Evangelischen Kirchenbucharchiv Osnabrück selbst auch nichts gibt, oder? - Okay, die Frage wird eher sein, ob es zur entsprechenden Zeit überhaupt noch Aufzeichnungen gibt.

Hi scheuck,

mir ging es nur um Archion.de, weil speziell danach gefragt wurde. Ob in den Archiven noch Dokumente schlummern kann ich nicht beantworten, weil es nicht mein Forschungsgebiet ist.


@conita:

I just wrote it done (maybe someone else is able to translate it):

+ Polemann (Johann) siehe Joecher III, 1656.
Er war den 9. August 1623 zu Osnabrück gebohren,
und ein Sohn des gräfl. Tecklenburgischen Gerichts-
halters Lambert Polemann, den er aber früh verlor.
Von 1628 bis 1633 lebte er mit seiner Mutter,
als ein vom Bischof Franz Wilhelm vertriebener
Lutheraner, entfernt von Osnabrück, (siehe Rölings[?]
Osnabr. R. ... Frankf. 1755. S. 153 und 165)
als aber am 1. May 1634 die Rathschlule den Lu-
theranern wieder eröffnet wurde, kam er in dieselbe
zurück. 1644 ging er auf die Universität Königsberg,
1647 nach Rostock, ward 1648 Prediger zu ...
im Stifte Osnabrück, und 1650 zu Wildeshau-
sen, wo er nur 12 lutherische Familien vorfand,
durch seine erbaulichen Vorträge aber, die Hälfte der
Einwohner bewog, in die lutherische Kirche zu tre-
ten. Im Jahre 1651 wurde er zu Rinteln Magister,
am 21 Junius 1665 vierter Domprediger in Bre-
men, und starb am 17ten April 1680. Jöcher sagt,
er habe Trauer- und Freipredigten drucken lassen.
... kenne aber nur die einzige ... Trauer- und
Trostpredigt bei Beerdigung des R. Reinhard Ro-
..., P.... primar. zu Wildeshausen, Ehefrau,
Rinteln 1660. 4. 6 1/2 Bogen, von ihm. Vergl.
P... Altes und Neues I. p. ...22 und II. 123,
und Positones miscellaneae, Rinteln 1651. 4.

Summary:

Johann Polemann

• born 9th of august 1623 "zu" Osnabrück ["zu" is an unspecific word - could imply: "near" or "in" this city]
• died 17th of april 1680
• lutheran
• lost his father, Lambert Polemann, early
• lived with his mother from 1628-1633 far from Osnabrück
• he went back to the lutheran Osnabrücker Rathsschule, because it reopend 1. May 1634
• visited Universtiät Königsberg 1644
• went to Rostock 1647
• became preacher in ___ (diocese of Osnabrück) 1648
• preacher in Wildeshausen 1650
• magister in Rinteln 1651
• 4th Cathedral preacher in Bremen 21 of june 1665

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liebe Grüße
Doro

[scheuck]

Archion

Hi scheuck,

mir ging es nur um Archion.de, weil speziell danach gefragt wurde. Ob in den Archiven noch Dokumente schlummern kann ich nicht beantworten, weil es nicht mein Forschungsgebiet ist.

liebe Grüße
Doro

Hi, Doro!

Nein, ich wollte Dir keinesfalls irgendwie auf den Schlips treten , Du hast die Frage natürlich absolut richtig beantwortet.
Ich wollte an sich nur wissen, ob es denkbar ist, dass Archion die entsprechende Zeit nicht "im Programm" hat, es im Archiv aber noch KBs geben könnte .

[DoroJapan]

Hi, Doro!

Nein, ich wollte Dir keinesfalls irgendwie auf den Schlips treten , Du hast die Frage natürlich absolut richtig beantwortet.
Ich wollte an sich nur wissen, ob es denkbar ist, dass Archion die entsprechende Zeit nicht "im Programm" hat, es im Archiv aber noch KBs geben könnte .

Hi scheuck,

ist schon wieder vergessen.
Könnte schon möglich sein. Gibt es denn auf der Webseite des evangelischen Archivs ein Liste mit vorhandenen Beständen? Ansonsten musst du vor Ort (falls möglich) schauen.

liebe Grüße
Doro

[scheuck]

Auf der Website habe ich noch nicht geguckt, ob sie "so was" überhaupt haben?

Ich kenne das "Archiv", bestehend aus einem "Räumchen", in dem ansonsten der Betriebsrat tagt. Da gibt's zahlreiche Stahlschränke, einen Schreibtisch und ein Telefon, und man hat beim Suchen absolute, ungestörte Ruhe.

Sobald wie möglich muss ich sowieso hin, dann kann ich gucken ...