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Hello All,
not sure if this is the correct Forum for this but it does involve Hamburg.

I have downloaded two Index's (Generalregister Heiraten) from the Hamburg Staatsarchiv and they have taken an extremely long time (over 1.5hrs) to download.
Is this normal or do others have an issue with downloading the pdf files from there? Or am I not doing something correctly?

I know the Internet speeds here may be slower than what may be in the EU but at this rate I'll get my pension before I find the next ancestor, being at the other end of the world may be it takes a long time to get here.

Hopefully someone may know what the issue is.

Regards and Thanks
Jan
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Alt 08.02.2019, 21:10
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Hello Jan,
in Germany it takes likewise up to 10 minutes to download a file from Hamburg State Archive because of the large file size.
I've downloaded most of them. Please feel free to express whom you are looking for. I will have a look.
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Hello Jan,
in Germany it takes likewise up to 10 minutes to download a file from Hamburg State Archive because of the large file size.
I've downloaded most of them. Please feel free to express whom you are looking for. I will have a look.
Regards
Anja
Thanks Anja,

I managed to down load two indexes which took a long time one was an hour and a half and the other over two hours but could not find the marriage of my Great-Grandparents that I was looking for. They are,

Carl Franz TROMP (B.2 Mai 1881-Fischhausen, Ost Pr. D.11 Jan 1957-Harburg)
&
Elisabeth, gbn WILLIG ( B.?-D.?)

They had two sons that I know & found,
Franz Carl TROMP (B.18 Apr 1909-Harburg, D.8 Jun 1971-Harburg) my Opa
&
Heinrich Karl Friedrich TROMP (B. abt 1914-Harburg, D.12 Feb 1915-Harburg)

The story my father told me was that Carl Franz Tromp's father, Carl TROMP (b?-d?) left Fishhausen after his wife & mother of Carl Franz, Henrietta SCHACK (B.abt 1850, D.12 Jun 1891-Fischhausen Ost Pr) and came to Harburg when Carl Franz was young.
On Carl Franz Tromp death cert.,(1957) father is not noted (left blank/crossed out) and his mother is noted as Johanne Charlotte TROMP (no gebornen name) zuletzt wohnhaft in Fischhausen.
It could be that Carl Tromp remarried after the death of Henrietta but have not found any marriage in Harburg or in Fichhausen.
Also can not find death of Carl TROMP or Elisabeth WILLIG.

If you are able to help me, that would be gratefully appreciated.
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Jan Tromp
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Alt 11.02.2019, 22:00
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Hello Jan,
I have started to check the registers of death but I haven’t found the death of Carl Tromp or Elisabeth Willig so far. But what I have found for the name TROMP in the register of deaths (the first three entries you can find on Ancestry). Because of Tromp is not a common name in Harburg, all these people might be relatives of you:

Heinrich Karl Friedrich Tromp, Arbeitersohn (working-class son?), died in 1915, Standesamt Harburg, record number 279/1915 (you already know).

Elisabeth Tromp, girl, died in 1927, Standesamt Harburg, 812/1927.

Erna Anni Müller, née Tromp, worker, catholic, died in 1936, Standesamt Harburg-Wilhelmsburg I, 133/1936.
Maybe a sister of Franz Karl Tromp? Because she was born in Harburg in 1910 (see death certificate on Ancestry).
https://www.ancestry.de/interactive/...&usePUBJs=true
Erna Anni was married in 1932 (Standesamt Harburg-Wilhelmsburg I, 628/1932). Her Husband: Kurt Otto Müller, worker. The marriage was divorced. Maybe this man was her ex-husband, who has died in Neuengamme concentration camp in 1943:
https://www.ancestry.de/interactive/...&usePUBJs=true

Marie Elisabeth Düring, née Tromp, died 1.1.1952, Standesamt Harburg, 19/1952

Anna Maria Trunz, née Tromp, died 9.11.1952, Standesamt Harburg, 1355/1952
She has married Gustav Adolf Erdmann Trunz in Fischhausen in 1904:
https://search.ancestry.de/cgi-bin/s...ff=&ml_rpos=12
You can find death certificates of two sons on Ancestry.

Carl Franz Tromp, died 11.1.1957, Standesamt Harburg, 59/1957 (you already know)

Franz Karl Tromp, died 4.6.1971, Standesamt Harburg, 1181/1971 (you already know)

Marie Elisabeth Tromp (no maiden name stated), died 12.4.1979, Standsamt Harburg, 1001/1979
Maybe Elisabeth Willig if she has grown very old???


You have already seen following records on Ancestry? Some more persons with the name Tromp in Fischhausen:
https://www.ancestry.de/search/colle...=50&name_x=1_1

I will check the remaining registers of death and marriages the next days.
Regards
Anja

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Hello Anja,

Heinrich Karl Friedrich Tromp is a son of Carl Tromp & Elisabeth Willig, but strange I can not find his birth cert.

Elisabeth Tromp, girl, died in 1927, I have looked at this a number of times and struggle to read and understand it all but with no mothers name or nee i can not workout where she belongs.

Erna Anni Müller, née Tromp, worker, catholic, died in 1936, this could be a possibility if birth or marriage cert give her parents, odd that she is catholic as I think all our lot are evangelich/lutheran, may be she converted to marry Kurt Otto Muller,
Karl Franz Tromp did have a sister "Grete" (I had totally forgotten about her until you mentioned sister) see death notice attached, but that is all I know of her.

Marie Elisabeth Düring, née Tromp, died 1.1.1952,
Anna Maria Trunz, née Tromp, died 9.11.1952,
I'm not sure about these two and don't think they are related but will have a dig around later.

Marie Elisabeth Tromp (no maiden name stated), died 12.4.1979,
May be Elizabeth Willing, I have asked some family members if they know her death but nobody seems to know. This is why I'm trying to find the marriage cert hoping it may shed some light. There is an Elizabeth Tromp that can be found in address & telephone books after 1945 that seems to be on her own, maybe they separated/divorced?
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Hello Jan,

I checked the Harburg registers of marriage from 1891 to 1934. Neither a marriage of Carl Tromp nor the marriage of Carl Franz Tromp and Elisabeth Willig is registered.

But I have found the marriage of Grete Tromp:
Margarete Elisabeth Tromp (worker) married Joachim Heinrich Witt (worker) in Harburg in 1927 - Standesamt Harburg-Wilhelmsburg I, record number 687/1927.
The marriage of Erna Anni Tromp and Kurt Otto Müller I have already mentioned. There are no further entries for the name Tromp until 1934.

Furthermore I checked the Harburg registers of death from 1891 to 1936. There is no Carl Tromp mentioned.

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Anja
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There is an Elizabeth Tromp that can be found in address & telephone books after 1945 that seems to be on her own, maybe they separated/divorced?
Where did you find this?
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Where did you find this?
Hi Anja,

On Ancestry.com
https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-b...=successSource
(not sure if I have copied the address correctly)

Elisabeth, not sure who she is but suspect to be Willing,
Franz, Arbiter, Freidrich-Naumann Str 6 (Opa) I visited there in 1979
Franz, Wachmann, Reinhold Str 24 (G,Opa) my father lived at no 28 before the war.
Frieda, have no idea who she is.

Jan
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Hello again,

I have spent the last few nights looking through the address books from Harburg, Hamburg and Hamburg districts from 1891 to 1911 and found no Tromp's listed at all until Franz Tromp (assumed Carl Franz G,Opa) first appears in Harburg in 1910.

Looking at Carl Franz (G,Opa) newspaper death notice, Grete is listed first so I am assuming she was born before Franz Karl (Opa). I know Franz Carl was born in Harburg in 1909. So was Grete born in Harburg or elsewhere?

Because I can not find a marriage for Carl Franz & Elisabeth Willing I am thinking they never married in Harburg-Hamburg region and maybe my fathers story is wrong and it was Carl Franz who moved to Harburg from Ost Preussen and not Carl Tromp (GG,Opa).

I may need to start ordering some certificates that are not available on Ancestry.

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Jan
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