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Alt 21.02.2018, 04:44
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Standard 1906 Taufregister Kirchenbuch, Skrochowitz

Quelle bzw. Art des Textes: Taufregister Kirchenbuch
Jahr, aus dem der Text stammt: 1906
Ort und Gegend der Text-Herkunft: Skrochowitz, Landkreis Troppau, Schlesien
Namen um die es sich handeln sollte: Walther August Adam Kosma


VIII, 71 = 8, 71
1906, April, 2 = 1906, April, 2
1906, April, 22 = 1906, April, 22
haus nr. 40 = house no. 40
Walther August Adam = Walther August Adam
....... 14/2 1942 = ....... 14/2 1942
Sta? Troppau = Sta? Troppau
....... 14/2 1942 = ....... 14/2 1942
Römisch-katholisch = Roman Catholic
weiblich = female
ehelich = in wedlock


kosma rudolf, geboren 17/10 1875 = kosma rudolf, born 17/10 1875
Zuckerfabrik?adjunct? In Skrochowitz = Sugar factory? Adjunct? In Skrochowitz
Sohn des Andreas Kosma ............. = Son of Andreas Kosma ?????????
in Bielitz und dessen gatten = in Bielitz and his spouse
Karolina geboren Josah = Karolina born Josah

Römisch-katholisch = Roman Catholic

Marie, geboren 29/1 1884 = Marie, born 29/1 1884
Tochter des Theodor Reys ?.......... = Daughter of Theodor Reys?........
in Johannaburg und dessen gatten = in Johannaburg and his spouse
Marie geboren Zivny? = Marie born Zivny?
........ 11/4 1904 in troppau = ......... 11/4 1904 in troppau

Römisch-katholisch = Roman Catholic


Metov? vojtehz? =Metov? vojtehz??
kooperator?? = kooperator??
Thersia adametz? = Thersia adametz?
........ van ..... = ?????? van ??????
No 120 = No 120

........... = ??????
........... = ??????
........... = ??????
........... = ??????
in troppau = in troppau

........... Wien = ?????? Wien
in ........... = in ??????
........... = ??????
........... = ??????
........... = ??????

here is the link 1906 Taufregister Kirchenbuch, Skrochowitz
and 1906 Taufregister Kirchenbuch, Skrochowitz

Some of the words/names I cannot read are simerlar to this thread about his sister

There is a brother Herbert Kosma from 1912 in the register but I cannot fint the Taufregister Kirchenbuch from 1912!?
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Alt 21.02.2018, 07:07
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hola,

sorry, my english is not so good

VIII, 71 = 8, 71
1906, April, 2 = 1906, April, 2
1906, April, 22 = 1906, April, 22
haus nr. 40 = house no. 40
Walther August Adam = Walther August Adam
getraut 14/2 1942 = married? 14/2 1942
Sta. Troppau = (Standesamt) Troppau
Sta. Str. 14/2 1942 = ....... 14/2 1942
Römisch-katholisch = Roman Catholic
weiblich = female
ehelich = in wedlock


Kosma Rudolf, geboren 17/10 1875 = kosma rudolf, born 17/10 1875
Zuckerfabriksadjunct In Skrochowitz = Sugar factory Adjunct? In Skrochowitz
Sohn des Andreas Kosma Bräuhausverwalter [Brauhaus Verwalter] = Son of Andreas Kosma ?????????
in Bielitz und dessen Gattin = in Bielitz and his spouse
Karolina geborene Josch = Karolina born Josch

Römisch-katholisch = Roman Catholic

Marie, geboren 29/1 1884 = Marie, born 29/1 1884
Tochter des Theodor Risy Bierbräuers (Bierbrauer) = Daughter of Theodor Risy
in Johannesberg und dessen Gattin = in Johannaberg and his spouse
Marie geborener Zivny = Marie born Zivny
getraut 11/4 1904 in Troppau = married(?) 11/4 1904 in troppau

Römisch-katholisch = Roman Catholic


Metov? Vojtek? =Metov? vojtek [name]
Kooperator = kooperator??
Thersia Adametz = Thersia Adametz
geprüfte [Hebamme] von Braunsdorf = ?????? from Braunsdorf
No 120 = No 120

August Riwna = name
Emilie Krish = name
Gattin des verstorbenen = spous of deseased?
Carl Krish = name
Privatier in Troppau = in troppau

k und k Hauptmann Wien = k&k ??? Wien
in V.(Vertretung?) der Hermine Rauch = in ?? of name
Gattin des = spouse of
Arthur Rauch = name
in Lodz / Russland = in Lodz / Russia
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Lebe lang und in Frieden
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Alt 21.02.2018, 12:45
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Thanks Karla

Married at “Standesamt”, dos that means civil marriage (not in a church)? And why the “Sta Str 14/2 1942” repeating two times?

what job is an "adjunct" doing?

Is a “Privatier” a person who lives by his own previously earned money?
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Alt 21.02.2018, 12:58
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Hi,
Married at “Standesamt”, dos that means civil marriage (not in a church)? YES

Is a “Privatier” a person who lives by his own previously earned money?YES
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Alt 25.10.2019, 12:23
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Hello,
One notice, maybe of some importance Hermine Rauch, spouse of Arthur [Emil] Rauch from Lodz, was born in Bielitz (nowadays Bielsko of Bielsko-Biala in Poland) in 1867 and her maiden name was Kosma.
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Alt 27.10.2019, 08:26
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Hello,
One notice, maybe of some importance Hermine Rauch, spouse of Arthur [Emil] Rauch from Lodz, was born in Bielitz (nowadays Bielsko of Bielsko-Biala in Poland) in 1867 and her maiden name was Kosma.
Hello,
Thank you very much Grzesio it's really great information.
Hermine is must probably a sister to Rudolf Kosma also born in Bielsko-Biala in 1875. Do you have more information on Hermine? Like the parents name, siblings, birth record etc... Do you have any other information about the Kosma Family?
Again thank you so much for this new information.
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Alt 28.10.2019, 11:29
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Hello,
I have very little information on Hermine (and nothing on the Kosma family), rather on her descendants.
I tried to search for civil register records from Bielitz/Biala of this period, using a couple of online databases, but without success.

So, as far as Hermine is concerned, she was born on September 14, 1867 in Bielitz. She married a merchant Emil Arthur Rauch (12 Aug. 1857, Chemnitz - 1 May 1921, Dresden) in Lodz (Poland) on September 28, 1895.
They had three children, all born in Lodz: Erika Hermine, married von Beck (29 Juli 1896 - 31 Jan. 1939, Dresden), Edith Marie, married Keller (21 Jun. 1897) and a son Arthur Hermann (29 March 1903). Edith had, in turn, one son, Arthur Hermann at least three children - etc.

The last trace of Hermine, I've found so far, is an address book of Dresden from 1940, where she is listed as living on Silbermannstrasse 3 II, i.e. at the same address as her daughter Edith Marie Keller with her family.
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Alt 30.10.2019, 16:02
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Hello,
I have very little information on Hermine (and nothing on the Kosma family), rather on her descendants.
I tried to search for civil register records from Bielitz/Biala of this period, using a couple of online databases, but without success.

So, as far as Hermine is concerned, she was born on September 14, 1867 in Bielitz. She married a merchant Emil Arthur Rauch (12 Aug. 1857, Chemnitz - 1 May 1921, Dresden) in Lodz (Poland) on September 28, 1895.
They had three children, all born in Lodz: Erika Hermine, married von Beck (29 Juli 1896 - 31 Jan. 1939, Dresden), Edith Marie, married Keller (21 Jun. 1897) and a son Arthur Hermann (29 March 1903). Edith had, in turn, one son, Arthur Hermann at least three children - etc.

The last trace of Hermine, I've found so far, is an address book of Dresden from 1940, where she is listed as living on Silbermannstrasse 3 II, i.e. at the same address as her daughter Edith Marie Keller with her family.
Hello, Grzesio

Thanks for all that information that is really great.
I also tried to find information in Bielitz/Biala without any luck, also nothing is online.
Sins Hermine is godmother for Walther, I think it is most likely she is the sister of Rudolf (Walthers father) also we have only 4 thinks connecting them together
1. She is the godmother for Walther
2. Same family name Kosma
3. Both Hermine and Rudolf are born in Bielitz
4. She is from 1867 he 1875

Rudolf parents are Andreas Kosma and Karolina Josch, Hermine we don’t know the parents names.

2 others that might be brothers to Hermine and Rudolf is Hans Kosma (also a godfather to the daughter of Rudolf). Also Johann Kosma born 1872 in Bielitz
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Alt 30.10.2019, 17:36
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Hello,
So we've got pretty a puzzle... I entered this data into my My Heritage tree, hoping for matches with another trees, without success.

But couldn't Johann and Hans Kosma be the same person?


Hermine's family could be identified with some effort, I think , I've checked database of archival civil records - both birth and marriage records from two protestant parishes in Lodz (she belonged to Sw. Trojca or Trinity one), covering period when Hermine got married in Lodz and all her children were born, are held by National Archives in Lodz - sadly not available online. So maybe one day...


BTW - Hermine is still listed in the address book of Dresden for 1943/44, so maybe she made it to February 1945. According to a DRK inquiry, I made some years ago, her brother in law, also living in Dresden, got missing, although her niece with her husband (living just two houses from him) survived the air raid. But I did not ask about Hermine or her daughter then.
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Alt 31.10.2019, 16:37
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Hello,
So we've got pretty a puzzle... I entered this data into my My Heritage tree, hoping for matches with another trees, without success.

But couldn't Johann and Hans Kosma be the same person?


Hermine's family could be identified with some effort, I think , I've checked database of archival civil records - both birth and marriage records from two protestant parishes in Lodz (she belonged to Sw. Trojca or Trinity one), covering period when Hermine got married in Lodz and all her children were born, are held by National Archives in Lodz - sadly not available online. So maybe one day...


BTW - Hermine is still listed in the address book of Dresden for 1943/44, so maybe she made it to February 1945. According to a DRK inquiry, I made some years ago, her brother in law, also living in Dresden, got missing, although her niece with her husband (living just two houses from him) survived the air raid. But I did not ask about Hermine or her daughter then.
Hello Grzesio

Johann and Hans Kosma could maybe be the same person as this family like to give many names, but I think it is 2 different persons as I found each 2 different times.


I found Johann in the censuses in Troppau (now Opava) in 1901
http://digi.archives.cz/da/permalink...1&scan=1#scan1
also in the address book in 1905 in Troppau (now Opava)
http://digi.archives.cz/da/permalink...45757&scan=116

and Hans as goodfather at the birth of Margarete Emilie Marie Kosma in Skrochowitz just outside Troppau (now Opava) in 1905
http://digi.archives.cz/da/permalink...:-7fed&scan=72
also in the address book in 1901 in Troppau (now Opava)
http://digi.archives.cz/da/permalink...45757&scan=120
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