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Marriage of Leopold's parents: http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/o...de/02-07/?pg=3
(Last entry on page) Definitely looks like an N here, although it's different from the N used in the abbreviation for "number". I can't find any other Leopold _astls born in 1791 in Kirchberg am Walde, it's gotta be him, but how did the N turn into a W? |
#12
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In Tirol, which has the same backgroung as Bavaria, family names often come from First Names. So its absolutely possible that the first to be named was a Sebastian, called "Wastl", probably around the year 1500. And, since many children were born, but fewer survived to grow up and even fewer got married, marriage was taken more seriously. So at marriage the descripton and writing was more accurate than at birth remarks and sometimes writing errors occur too, which I have seen already a couple of times.
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#13
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Hi,
so we have the following situation: Leopold (born Nastl) left his village to live in Vienna. With him he carried his certificate of baptism. This certificate is our black box: either the parish priest in Kirchberg did not write readable or the writer in Vienna did not read thoroughly As all other data are the same both in Kirchberg and in Vienna, I think it is the same person. Zita |
#14
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Hi,
As Zita already wrote, the parish priest wasn´t writing the name correct. The family Wastl is one my ancestors and you will only find this family in Weissenalbern, Hirschbach and Kirchberg/Walde. The family Wästl ist originally from Clestl, Bohemia and a Matthias Wästl had married in 1725 in Weissenalbern Eva Wolf. From his second marriage in 1751 with Barbara Raböck in Hirschbach you will find a birth register of one son Joseph in 1752 which is your researched Joseph. Remark: in this book you will also find a Joseph born in 1758, but that Joseph died already one day later. Best regrads Wanderer40 Geändert von Wanderer40 (26.08.2019 um 18:44 Uhr) |
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Hallo Wanderer40
aber hier wird doch ein Josephus Nast(e)l gesucht, der laut Heiratsurkunde um 1758 geboren sein müßte .... |
#16
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Wanderer40, I *wish* "my" Wastels/Nastels came from St. Pölten -- the registers are in proper Latin letters, so I can READ them! -- but the Viennese registers clearly name Kirchberg am Walde as Leopold's birthplace, and as Gandalf says, what I've found there is a Joseph Nastel, not Wastel.
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#17
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Hi,
Leopold Wastl knew, that his surename was WASTL and not Nastl. In 1828 he submitted his baptism certificate (column Anmerkung/remark). It explains that the baptism certificate was issued for Leopold WASTL. Otherwise the parish priest of the foreign parish Schottenkirche would have written Nastl (it had to be identical to the entry in the baptism certificate of Kirchberg/Walde!). And if there also was written that his parents were Joseph (born 08.03.1752, died as WASTL at 27.03.1818) and Elisabeth nee Brauneis (born 17.09.1759, died as WASTL at 20.04.1833), you have found the right birth record without any discussions! Inside the marriage record of 1787 you will find another clue for the parish priest was just making a mistake (instead of hearing badly, missing teeth, mumbling, etc.) Inside the column Beistände - Namen /witness - names you will find Paul Nastel ex Hirschbach. Paul WASTEL had been the half-brother of Joseph. I tried to explain, that the Wastel-Familiy wasn´t a resident family for a long time, because the father of Joseph and Paul, Matthias Wästl, settled down in 1725. And because of the fact, that there is no other family Wastel and NO family called Nastl, it should be clear, that the parish priest wrote the name wrong, nothing else. LG Wanderer40 WASTL Family Matthias Wästl S.o. Jacob/Anna – Clestel, Bohemia *1690 / +1760 Hirschbach ux 1 – 1725 Weissenalbern Eva Wolf D.o. Adam / Sophie – Hirschbach *1696 / +1750 Children: Anna Maria *1725 / +1726 PAUL *1727 / +1803 (Seyfrieds) Maria *1730 / +1730 Sophia *1732 Susanna *1735 ux 2 – 1751 Hirschbach Barbara Raböck D.o. Veith / Maria – Schönau *1709 / +1757 Children: JOSEPH *1752 / +1818 Philipp *1755 ux 3 – 1758 Hirschbach Catharina Bauer Widow – Klein Poppen * ? / +1759 ux 4 – 1760 Hirschbach Magdalena Schwarzer Langschwarza Paul Wastl ux 1 – 1751 Hirschbach Maria Payr D. o. Martin/Maria – Hirschbach Children: Andreas *1751 / +1757 Mattheus *1755 JOSEPH (Twin) * 18.02.1758 / +19.02.1758 Mathias (Twin) * 18.02.1758 / + 20.02.1758 Maria *1759 / +1759 Theresia *1764 Juliana *1768 ux 2 – 1795 Hirschbach Catharina Grünböck (remarried 1803 Kirchberg/Walde) Geändert von Wanderer40 (27.08.2019 um 12:52 Uhr) |
#18
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Wanderer40, Wow!! and Thank You!!!!
(Are you related in any way to this family where you've basically completed an extra three generations for me?) Your explanation of the N vs W makes sense: it was always correctly Wastl, but when the family moved from St. Pölten to Kirchberg am Walde, the local priest was farsighted or hard of hearing (or both) and somehow got it into his head that the name was Nastl. Nobody noticed the error, possibly due to illiteracy. By the time Leopold needed a baptismal certificate to get married with in Vienna, there was presumably a different priest in Kirchberg who knew that the name was correctly Wastl and thus filled out the certificate correctly. Once again, thank you!! Geändert von JPmiaou (27.08.2019 um 21:52 Uhr) |
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Hi,
1. This Wastl Family came from BOHEMIA, not from St. Pölten. 2. I already had the informations about this collateral line of mine. Unfortunately i couldn´t find out, from were Mathias Wastl was coming from, as I couldn´t find "Clestl" in Bohemia. I Suspect that the place is located near Winterberg. LG Wanderer40 |
#20
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Guten Morgen,
hier die Herkunftsangabe bei der Heirat anno 1725: http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/o...252F01/?pg=176 Ich würde Clostr. lesen. Klösterle gehörte zum Gerichtsbezirk Winterberg. Hier lässt ein Simon Bastl in Winterberg ein Kind taufen: https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/8283/91/1205/1682/76/0 Unten links das Kind eines Veith Wastl: https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/8284/10/1794/2264/40/0 Rechts das Kind eines Gregor Bastl: https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/8284/13/2455/2332/64/0 Matthias ist um 1695 ein gern gewählter Vorname, allein sehe ich im ersten Durchgang keinen Mathias Wastl/Bastl. Am 30.5.1700 lässt ein Jakob Bastl in Winterberg taufen. Er ist aber Bürger in Winterberg und seine Frau heißt Elisabetha: https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/8284/44/1251/901/80/0 Geändert von Horst von Linie 1 (28.08.2019 um 08:40 Uhr) |
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