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Yes, on the 1915 New Jersey Census, with her second husband, Hermann Wilhelm Vogel. However, my father is listed as a female, Ada J, instead of Edward K (they renamed him) and the birth year is 1912 instead of 1913. The place of birth is New York, which is correct. I found this female reference interesting because my father’s birth certificate reveals there was another child that had died before my father was born. If you are interested in the whole story, email me @ sandrabutler@atlanticbb.net. There may be something in it that will help in the search. Thanks for you help!
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Yes. They are in the 1915 New Jersey Census, with her second husband, Hermann Wilhelm Vogel. However, my father is listed as a female, Ada J (possibly mistaken for Edward K, which they renamed my father), born in 1912 (instead of 1913) in New York (which is correct). Interestingly, according to my father’s birth certificate, there was another child born before my father, but not living at the time my father was born. The story is that my grandfather was sick even on the boat coming over, and did not live long. If you are interested in the whole story, email me at sandrabutler@atlanticbb.net. There might be something in there that you might find helpful in the search. Thanks for your help!
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Alt 22.04.2018, 22:57
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What makes you think that Charley Kafra is identical to Edward K. Vogel? You wrote, Anna was born in December but according to the 1915 census she was born in April.
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Hi Anita

I did understand that Carl Kaffra was the father of Edward K. and Hermann Wilhelm Vogel was the stepfather of Edward K.

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The story is that my grandfather was sick even on the boat coming over, and did not live long.
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Wasn't there a database which lists people who died in quarantine after arriving at Ellis Island? Did you search for a death certificat in New York, if he died short after arriving it should be online. Where did they live in New Jersey, did you look at newspapers of New York and New Jersey?

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Hallo Svenja,

Edward K. soll als Charley Kafra, Sohn von Carl Kafra und Anna Maria Becker geboren sein.
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Animei, please email me at sandrabutler@atlanticbb.net. I have tried three times to respond to you. It shows up, then disappears.
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What makes you think that Charley Kafra is identical to Edward K. Vogel? You wrote, Anna was born in December but according to the 1915 census she was born in April.
We always knew my father was not born Edward Karl Vogel. He hid is birth name from us. I found his birth name on a FAA document, as mentioned, just last year, 28 years after my father's passing. If it weren't for that federal document, I would have never been able to obtain his birth certificate.
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Hallo

Ich habe gerade herausgefunden dass die "Deaths in Quarantine, 1909-1911" Database leider momentan nicht mehr online ist (wie rootsweb allgemein).

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Hi Anita

I did understand that Carl Kaffra was the father of Edward K. and Hermann Wilhelm Vogel was the stepfather of Edward K.



Hi Sbutler

Wasn't there a database which lists people who died in quarantine after arriving at Ellis Island? Did you search for a death certificat in New York, if he died short after arriving it should be online. Where did they live in New Jersey, did you look at newspapers of New York and New Jersey?

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Hi Svenja,
Correct. CARL KAFRA was the father of CHARLEY KAFRA (renamed EDWARD KARL VOGEL) after my grandmother married HERMANN VOGEL.

I did search for a death certificate for CARL KAFRA. None fit the time of his death, which would have been before she married Vogel (unable to locate a marriage certificate for them). If CARL KAFRA did in fact die, it would have been shortly after my father was born. By July of 1915, she had her first son by Hermann Vogel.

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Animei, please email me at sandrabutler@atlanticbb.net. I have tried three times to respond to you. It shows up, then disappears.
Looks like I needed to go to the next page. Sorry. Still trying to figure things out. I have to go to "google translate" to figure out how to navigate this site. I'll get it, eventually!
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