Searching after the kosma family.

[seekingherbertkosma]

Die Suche betrifft das Jahr oder den Zeitraum: 1875-1942
Genaue Orts-/Gebietseingrenzung: Schlesien
Konfession der gesuchten Person(en): Römisch-katholisch

Searching after the Kosma family.

Trying to find the record for Herbert Kosma born 28/7-1912 he is in this register but where do I find the book?

His brother Walter Kosma are in this book and it say he got married 14/2 1942 at “Standesamt in Troppau” how to find that record?

It also say that the father Rudolf Kosma, born 17/10 1875 in Bielitz, how to find that record? His parents was Andreas Kosma and Karolina born Josah?/ch?

And the mother Marie, born 29/1 1884 are from Johannaburg (Javorník), (Jauernig), Landkreis Freiwaldau. Her parent was Theodor Risy and Marie born Zivny How to find that record?

Rudolf Kosma and Marie born Risy, got married 11/4 1904 in Troppau How the find that record?

[Valentin1871]

Trying to find the record for Herbert Kosma born 28/7-1912 he is in this register but where do I find the book?

Skroch. means Skrochowitz.
This book (Skrochowitz Births 1911-1949) is not online yet, see http://digi.archives.cz/da/permalink...b88f077c:-7ef9.
Currently, it is located at civil registry office ("MATRIKA JE DOSUD ULOŽENA NA MATRIČNÍM ÚŘADĚ").

Birth registers of Skrochowitz are online until 1910: http://digi.archives.cz/da/permalink...228f96a1:-7fed

Rudolf Kosma and Marie born Risy, got married 11/4 1904 in Troppau How the find that record?

Here it is

http://digi.archives.cz/da/permalink?xid=be832f7c-f13c-102f-8255-0050568c0263&scan=486

[seekingherbertkosma]

Skroch. means Skrochowitz.
This book (Skrochowitz Births 1911-1949) is not online yet, see http://digi.archives.cz/da/permalink...b88f077c:-7ef9.
Currently, it is located at civil registry office ("MATRIKA JE DOSUD ULOŽENA NA MATRIČNÍM ÚŘADĚ").

Birth registers of Skrochowitz are online until 1910: http://digi.archives.cz/da/permalink...228f96a1:-7fed


Here it is
http://digi.archives.cz/da/permalink...c0263&scan=486

Thank you so much for finding both Herbert's book and the wedding of Rudolf and Marie.

[Valentin1871]

His brother Walter Kosma are in this book and it say he got married 14/2 1942 at “Standesamt in Troppau” how to find that record?

The addition
"getrt. 14/2 1942
Sta. Troppau
Sta. ghr. 14/2 1942"

means

getraut 14.2.1942 religious marriage in church
----
Standesamt Troppau
Standesamtlich geheiratet 14.2.1942 civil marriage at civil registry office

His marriage record is still located at the civil registry office of Troppau (cz. Opava).
By the way, his full name was Walther August Adam Kosma.

[Valentin1871]

It also say that the father Rudolf Kosma, born 17/10 1875 in Bielitz, how to find that record? His parents was Andreas Kosma and Karolina born Josah?/ch?

Bielitz (pl. Bielsko-Biała) is now in Poland.
Register are not online yet, see http://www.szukajwarchiwach.pl/13/8/0/-#tabZespol

And the mother Marie, born 29/1 1884 are from Johannaburg (Javorník), (Jauernig), Landkreis Freiwaldau. Her parent was Theodor Risy and Marie born Zivny How to find that record?

digi.archives.cz is not easy in use and an explanation would be quite time-consuming.
So look here: http://digi.archives.cz/da/permalink...8c0263&scan=50

[seekingherbertkosma]

Skroch. means Skrochowitz.
This book (Skrochowitz Births 1911-1949) is not online yet, see http://digi.archives.cz/da/permalink...b88f077c:-7ef9.
Currently, it is located at civil registry office ("MATRIKA JE DOSUD ULOŽENA NA MATRIČNÍM ÚŘADĚ").

Is it possible to request a copy of the record of Herbert? if yes where and how to do?

[seekingherbertkosma]

Here it is
http://digi.archives.cz/da/permalink...c0263&scan=486

Is it possible to find information on the parents? Andreas Koma Bräuhausdirektor in Bielitz und dessen Gattin Karolina geboren Josch geboren Bielitz.
Or Theodor Risy Brauermeister in Johannesberg und dessen Gattin Marie geborenen Ziwna?

[seekingherbertkosma]

The addition
"getrt. 14/2 1942
Sta. Troppau
Sta. ghr. 14/2 1942"

means

getraut 14.2.1942 religious marriage in church
----
Standesamt Troppau
Standesamtlich geheiratet 14.2.1942 civil marriage at civil registry office

His marriage record is still located at the civil registry office of Troppau (cz. Opava).
By the way, his full name was Walther August Adam Kosma.

So it means he was religious marriage in a church and also registered at the civil registry office, the same day, is that correct?

Is it possible to request a copy? How to do?

[seekingherbertkosma]

Bielitz (pl. Bielsko-Biała) is now in Poland.
Register are not online yet, see http://www.szukajwarchiwach.pl/13/8/0/-#tabZespol

Will it be possible to get at copy? How?

[seekingherbertkosma]

digi.archives.cz is not easy in use and an explanation would be quite time-consuming.
So look here: http://digi.archives.cz/da/permalink...8c0263&scan=50

Thanks.

Is it possible to find more information on:

Theodor Risy , brauermeister in Johannesberg
Anton Risy, kunstgärtners aus Lissitz (Lysice) in Mähren (Moravia )
und der mutter Josefa geb. Frey von Jaispitz (Jevišovice) in Mähren

and

August Ziwna fabriksinspector in Brünn
und der mutter Johanna geborene Zerana aus Holeschau (Holešov, Holleschau) in Mähren

[seekingherbertkosma]

The addition
"getrt. 14/2 1942
Sta. Troppau
Sta. ghr. 14/2 1942"

means

getraut 14.2.1942 religious marriage in church
----
Standesamt Troppau
Standesamtlich geheiratet 14.2.1942 civil marriage at civil registry office

His marriage record is still located at the civil registry office of Troppau (cz. Opava).
By the way, his full name was Walther August Adam Kosma.

So it means he was religious marriage in a church and also registered at the civil registry office, the same day, is that correct?

Is it possible to request a copy? How to do?

do it means he was religious marriage in a church and also registered at the civil registry office, the same day?

[seekingherbertkosma]

Can there be any census or other documents available about the family?

[Weltenwanderer]

Hello,

yes, the wedding at church took place on the same day as the registration of the civil marriage at the registry office.

Austria-Hungary did conduct quite extensive censuses (Prussian Silesia did not, only statistical information has survived), and I think that people in the Böhmen, Mähren, Sudetenland subforum can help you out there.

Greetings,
Weltenwanderer

[seekingherbertkosma]

Hello,

yes, the wedding at church took place on the same day as the registration of the civil marriage at the registry office.

Austria-Hungary did conduct quite extensive censuses (Prussian Silesia did not, only statistical information has survived), and I think that people in the Böhmen, Mähren, Sudetenland subforum can help you out there.

Greetings,
Weltenwanderer

Hello Weltenwanderer

Thanks for you Help

so if he was both married in a church and in registry office. which of the records will be easiest to get a copy of?
the churchbook that are not yet online or the record at the registry office? and how to get it?

Ok thank for the tip, I will ask in the Böhmen, Mähren, Sudetenland subforum for the family members that come from there.

What about the family from Bielitz (pl. Bielsko-Biała) is that still in the
Schlesien subforum?