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Suche Vorfahren von Georg Schwarzwälder in Hird bzw. Mariakemend
Die Suche betrifft das Jahr oder den Zeitraum: vor 1807 Genauere Orts-/Gebietseingrenzung: Hird und Mariakemend Fernabfrage vor der Beitragserstellung genutzt [ja/nein]: ja Zur Antwortfindung bereits genutzte Anlaufstellen (Ämter, Archive, Datenbanken): Familienbuch Monyorod Liebe Listenmitglieder, ich bin auf der Suche nach den Vorfahren von Georg Schwarzwälder. Die vorhanden Daten als Anlage. Wer hat Zugriff auf Daten zu Hird bzw. Mariakemend. Wer kann mir helfen, bin für jede Information dankbar. |
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(in English, sorry):
Here are what you are searching for: Hird https://familysearch.org/search/cata...tory%20Library (only the roll nr. 601816) https://familysearch.org/search/film...550?cat=424819 Kéménd https://familysearch.org/search/cata...tory%20Library And I think you will need also this: (Pécsvárad): https://familysearch.org/search/cata...tory%20Library (Currently I'm doing a research for the Schwarzwälder family of Hird.) This is the marriage record of Georg Schwarzwälder and Katharina Jockl (in Kéménd): row 19: Kéménd, Apr 24, 1837 ("Szent György hava" = April) "Svartzfelder György" 23 (yrs old) "Jockl Kati" 18 (yrs old) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/...Z-P?cat=424914 And this is the death record: (row 93: Schwartzwälder György, 72 years old) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/...246&cat=424914 (Unfortunately, the specified age-data are often not exact in the registers.) |
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Hallo Manfred,
sind die Schwarzwälder-Großeltern Deiner Enkelin aus Neufahrn? Zumindest kannte ich die Familie. Soweit ich das sehe sind bei Schwarzwälder/Hird nur die Jahrgänge 1865-1869 indiziert. Das KB von Hird 1758-1814 müsste mehr hergeben. Allerdings heisst das 635 Seiten durchblättern. https://familysearch.org/search/film...550?cat=424819 |
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(also in English, sorry):
Unfortunately, there was many different Hungarian spellings of the name Schwarzwälder in the registers. And the indexing is also not accurate. Therefore you can find many different versions in the indexed data. For example: they are all Schwarzwälders (look the indexed names and original pages): https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCKT-WN2 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/...=28&cat=424819 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCKT-NZM https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/...=50&cat=424819 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCKT-Z4Y https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/...=57&cat=424819 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCKR-BF5 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/...157&cat=424819 So there is no other way, only to leaf through all the book. And maybe this is also important: Before September of 1801: inhabitants of Hird were baptised (and registered) in Pécsvárad. For example: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XDBP-CW5 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/...e=g&cat=427398 I found this: 4 Schwarzwälder brothers arrived to Hird between 1774 and 1786: Joannes, Jacobus, Valentinus and Laurentius. Their parents were Vendelinus (or Landelinus?) Schwarzwälder and Gertrudis. Earlier they lived in Lovászhetény and Jánosi. But unfortunately I don't know which place in Germany where the family originally came from. I attached a pdf about this family with their birth, marriage and death data. I live in Hungary and I am a descendant of Valentinus Schwarzwälder. András |
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Sorry, in English again...
I think, Georg Schwarzwälder's birth data (that you wrote in the first post in this topic) is wrong. The right date is Oct 8, 1805.(!) (not 1807!). You can verify it in the register of Hird (in FamilySearch / Catalog). But it seems, your ancestor was not this Georg. I think your ancestor was another one: Georg Schwarzwälder, born Apr 25, 1810, Hird (parents: Lorenz Schwarzwälder and Barbara Rüll). His 2nd wife was Katharina Jockl. I've collected a huge amount of information about Schwarzwälder family, but not finished yet. But I could find and get contact with a member of Schwarzwälder family of Monyoród, who lives in Hungary. She is a great-granddaughter of Elisabetha Schwarzwälder (born: Mar 8, 1869, Monyoród, bapt.: in Kéménd) and Ferdinand Hengl. I can send you the data and family tree, and I can put you in touch with this great-granddaughter, but I don't want to share personal data in public. So, if you are interested in it, please, contact me in private. Best regards, András |
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Rüll, Barbara / Schwarzwälder, Lorenz
Hello András,
I discovered your post from 2018 today as a “random find”. Is there any additional information regarding “Rüll, Barbara”? Best regards, Katharina |
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