occupations 1600-1700

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I hope someone can explain two occupations from the 1600-1700s. The people lived in Arnoldshain if that is helpful:

-reifenbergischer Schultheiss in Arnoldshain

-Kirchenbaumeister in Arnoldshain, Nagelschmied

I appreciate the information that everyone shares.

Regards, Gloria

[mcrichvienna]

Translation

Hi Gloria,

reifenbergischer Schultheiss in Arnoldshain
"Reifenberg" is the name of the landlord/earl in the city/region of "Arnoldshain" and "Schultheiss" is the occupation as bailiff/administrator from this earl.

Kirchenbaumeister in Arnoldshain, Nagelschmied
"Kirchenbaumeister" meaned an architect for a church and "Nagelschmied" is a blacksmith producing nails or an arts-locksmith

Best regards, Richard
.

[ParibasWest]

Hi Gloria,

reifenbergischer Schultheiss in Arnoldshain
"Reifenberg" is the name of the landlord/earl in the city/region of "Arnoldshain" and "Schultheiss" is the occupation as bailiff/administrator from this earl.

Kirchenbaumeister in Arnoldshain, Nagelschmied
"Kirchenbaumeister" meaned an architect for a church and "Nagelschmied" is a blacksmith producing nails or an arts-locksmith

Best regards, Richard
.

Richard,
Thank you very much! The explanation is quite useful.
Regards, Gloria

[Anna Sara Weingart]

... "Kirchenbaumeister" meaned an architect for a church...

Hello, that's not correct.
Kirchenbaumeister meant a manager of the church.
He was not part of construction business. He was just an administrator or housekeeper.

Example: https://www.deutsche-digitale-biblio...OK37CY25KRO257

Today the word Kirchenbaumeister has an other meaning! Today it would mean architect. But not in this case 400 years ago.

Probably he was just the caretaker of the church.
Best regards

[mcrichvienna]

Explanation

Hello, that's not correct.
Kirchenbaumeister meant a manager of the church.
He was not part of construction business. He was just an administrator or housekeeper.

Example: https://www.deutsche-digitale-biblio...OK37CY25KRO257

Today the word Kirchenbaumeister has an other meaning! Today it would mean architect. But not in this case 400 years ago.

Probably he was just the caretaker of the church.
Best regards

@ Anna
It would be interesting in what your explanation supports? A hyperlink to a document from 1789 (a little more than 200 years and not 400 years), titled "... Architect (Administrator) Monk...", does not necessarily indicate that this is a translation of the term.
Read something, e.g., about the great Church-Architect ("Kirchenbaumeister") of the Baroque Era, Elias Hügel (in german language only)
Best regards, Richard

[Anna Sara Weingart]

After some more research, I would say that a Kirchenbaumeister was not a caretaker of a church, but a treasurer of a church district, or he had to supervise buildings in a church district.

It's a bit complicated, because in the past, the word Kirchenbaumeister had different meanings.
Indeed, it could sometimes also mean an architect of a church. But the blacksmith in Arnoldshain was not such an architect. Instead, he was paid by the church to do some administrative activities, in treasuring or supervising.

[mcrichvienna]

... but the blacksmith in Arnoldshain was not such an architect. Instead, he was paid by the church to do some administrative activities, in treasuring or supervising.

Hi Anna! Maybe. Thx 4 answer. Richard

[Anna Sara Weingart]

Hello,
here is an other example: https://www.wkgo.de/wkgosrc/pfarrbuch/cms/index/2149
The father was "Geistlicher Baumeister".
That may have been a similar profession like Kirchenbaumeister.
Of course not an architect.
Best regards