New forum user from New Jersey, USA - Plattling

[plattlinger]

My interest is in the Plattling, Deggendorf area researching my roots just like everyone else. At this time I can go back to my great-grandparents as follows:

Josef Altmann, b. 3 Mar 1858 Kleinweichs, d. 21 Nov 1942 Pielweichs
Katharina Reithmeier, b. 21 Nov 1867 Schiltorn, d. 4 Feb 1929 Pielweichs

Josef Wolf, b. 7 Jul 1872 Plattling, d. 7 Mar 1936 Plattling
Anna Suss, b. 16 Apr 1873 Niederporing, d. 7 Jul 1943 Plattling

Plattlinger

[Xtine]

Hello Plattlinger,

welcome to the forum

Do you know Matricula?
For

Anna Suss, b. 16 Apr 1873 Niederporing

look here:http://www.matricula.data.icar-us.eu...67151&count=29
first entry

Anna Süß

leb.(end = living) midwife: Krallinger from Aholming
father: Fr.(anz) Xaver Süß
profession: Gütler (landowner?) kath.(olisch)
court circuit: Vilshofen, Osterhofen, Niederpöring 10
mother: Franziska geb. Mader
profession: his wife and Gütlerstochter (landowerdaughter) Schwarzhofen??? katholisch
court circuit: Vilshofen, Osterhofen, Niederpöring 10
birth date: 16. April 1873 um 1/2 2 Uhr Nachts
baptism: 16. April 1873 Niederöpring Osterhofen
priest: Joseph Neininger Expositus
godmother: Anna Maushamer, Gütlerin in Tabertshausen Schwaig

[Anna Sara Weingart]

Hello,
The meaning of the German word "Gütler":
an owner of a little farm

It comes from the German words "Gut" (= farm) and "Gütlein" (= little farm)

Today, the words Gütler and Gütlein are not used anymore in the German language

Today we use the word "Kleinbauer" (little farmer). He has a little farm. That's not a short man.

Best regards

[gki]

"Gütler" is probably translated best as "owner of a smallholding",

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallholding

ie a farm big enough to support one's family, but not much more.

[plattlinger]

Thank you: Anna Süss baptism

What a wonderful surprise to see my great grandmother's baptismal details. This makes my day to have learned the names of my great-great grandparents! I will spend time familiarizing myself with this new online resource Matricula. I very much appreciate the assistance interpreting the German language as well. Bless you all. Plattlinger

[StefOsi]

The marriage record (index only) of Franz Xaver Süß and Franziska Mader is here (same village):

http://www.matricula.data.icar-us.eu/php/view2.php?ar_id=3670&be_id=1208&ve_id=167158&count=16

And from the index entry, one can find the complete record:

http://www.matricula.data.icar-us.eu/php/view2.php?ar_id=3670&be_id=1208&ve_id=167152&count=80

Rough translation (some parts are missing, because I can't read them):

Day of marriage: 28. February 1870
Name of the groom: Franz Xaver Süß
Status & Religion: Gütlers-Sohn (a Gütler's son), kath. (catholic)
District and County, Residence Number: ???
Groom's Parents: ??? Süß u(nd)/a(nd) Franziska born Wolf, Gütlers Eheleute (married couple of Gütlers)
Single or widowed: ledig/single
Born: 5. Novbr 1844 zu/in Niederpöring
Name of the bride: Franziska Maden
Status & Religion: Gütlers-Tochter (a Gütler's daughter), kath. (catholic)
District and County, Residence Number: ???
Brides's Parents: Anton Maden, Gütler u(nd)/a(nd) Anna Maria born ???, Gütlers Eheleute (married couple of Gütlers)
Single or widowed: ledig/single
Born: 25. Otokber 1843 zu/in ???
Priest or (his) deputy: Joseph Steiniger, ????
Witness of the marriage: ??? Süß, Gütler from Niederpöring a(nd) Jos. ???, Gütler

[gki]

Plattlinger, you should also register (free) at genteam.at. They have a searchable index of all marriages of the Diocese of Passau.

[gki]

profession: his wife and Gütlerstochter (landowerdaughter) Schwarzhofen??? katholisch

Probably Schwarzwöhr:

http://geoportal.bayern.de/bayernatlas/default?lon=4568289.5&lat=5401166.5&zoom=11&base=952

It is easier to read in the marriage entry.

[Wolfg. G. Fischer]

Names

Day of marriage: 28. February 1870
Name of the groom: Franz Xaver Süß
Status & Religion: Gütlers-Sohn (a Gütler's son), kath. (catholic)
District and County, Residence Number: ???
Groom's Parents: ??? Süß u(nd)/a(nd) Franziska born Wolf, Gütlers Eheleute (married couple of Gütlers)

Witness of the marriage: ??? Süß, Gütler from Niederpöring a(nd) Jos. ???, Gütler

Fanz Xaver's father was Cajetan Süß. Witness of the mariage were Cajetan Süß and Jos[ef] Mader.

Regards, Wolfgang

[gki]

Name of the bride: Franziska Maden
Status & Religion: Gütlers-Tochter (a Gütler's daughter), kath. (catholic)
District and County, Residence Number: ???
Brides's Parents: Anton Maden, Gütler u(nd)/a(nd) Anna Maria born ???, Gütlers Eheleute (married couple of Gütlers)
Single or widowed: ledig/single
Born: 25. Otokber 1843 zu/in ???
Priest or (his) deputy: Joseph Steiniger, ????

corrections:
Name of the bride: Franziska Mader
Status & Religion: Gütlers-Tochter (a Gütler's daughter), kath. (catholic)
District and County, Residence Number: Vilshofen, Osterhofen, Schwarzwöhr
Brides's Parents: Anton Mader, Gütler u(nd)/a(nd) Anna Maria born Ziegler, Gütlers Eheleute (married couple of Gütlers)
Single or widowed: ledig/single
Born: 25. Otokber 1843 zu/in Schwarzwöhr
Priest or (his) deputy: Joseph Steiniger, Expositus

[StefOsi]

And just for fun, the marriage record of Franz Xaver Süß's parents is here: http://www.matricula.data.icar-us.eu...67152&count=50 (2nd entry).

[gki]

Now it's going to get a bit interesting: both parents were illegitimate children.

groom's parents
Sebastian
Süß led. [single]
Hufschmieds,
Sohn [Farrier's son] aus
Frankreich???
Anna Giegler (Ziegler?)
l. St. [ledigen Standes = single] ... Reichs-
torf

bride's parents:
Joseph
Wolf led. [single]
Häuslers [owner of an even smaller farm than a smallholding]
Sohn von [son of ^]
Reuberg?
k. Landg. [königliches Landgericht = Royal District]
Deggendorf
u.
A(nna). Maria
Finsterwald
led. [single] Metzgers
tocht: [butcher's daugher] alhier [from here]

Witnesses:
Jos.(ef) Finsterwald [lit: dark forest]
Mezger alhier [butcher from here]
u.
Joh.(ann) Pritzl?
Schuhmacher [shoe maker] v.
Aholming

[scheuck]

New forum user...

Ich bin sooooo stolz auf Euch und

War keine schlechte Idee, plattlinger davon zu überzeugen, sich hier auch trotz nicht vorhandener Deutsch-Kenntnisse anzumelden. - Besser als auf einem Silber-Tablett geht's nun wirklich nicht!

[plattlinger]

Franz Xaver Süß - his parents marriage record

Do I understand this correctly... you have located the marriage record for Franz Xaver Süß parents: Cajetan Süß & Franziska Wolf of Niederpöring ?
I have difficulty reading this record. Can you tell me the exact date in 1830 of this marriage? Does it include any birth dates?
I so very much appreciate the time you are putting into this.

[plattlinger]

Franz Xaver Süß - his parents marriage record

Hello Steffen & gki,

Forgive me as I learn to navigate my way through the forum and take time to digest all this fascinating new information you are locating for my mother and I. To clarify, you have located the marriage record for the parents of Franz Xaver Süß: Cajetan Süß & Franziska Wolf of Niederpöring. Correct? If so, these would be my fourth great-grandparents. Unbelievable.

Now it's going to get a bit interesting: both parents were illegitimate children.

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]This is indeed quite interesting, oh my! Every family has a tale to tell.

Would there be a date for this special marriage? Am I seeing 27 Apr 1830? Or any other dates of interest noted here? Very difficult to read, but I think I’m noting 22 Feb 1810 … possibly a birth date of either bride or groom? I applaud you for having the ability to read this writing. Amazing really.
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groom's [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Cajetan Süß[/COLOR] parents
Sebastian
Süß led. [single]
Hufschmieds,[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]blacksmith[/COLOR]
Sohn [Farrier's son] aus
Frankreich???[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Who came from France? Sebastian or Sebastian’s father?[/COLOR]
Anna Giegler (Ziegler?)
l. St. [ledigen Standes = single] ... Reichs-
torf [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]I believe this is in Eichendorf[/COLOR]

bride's [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Franziska Wolf [/COLOR]parents:
Joseph
Wolf led. [single]
Häuslers [owner of an even smaller farm than a smallholding]
Sohn von [son of ^]
Reuberg? [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Is this the name of a person (Josef Wolf’s father) or a place?[/COLOR]
k. Landg. [königliches Landgericht = Royal District]
Deggendorf
u.
A(nna). Maria
Finsterwald
led. [single] Metzgers [COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]Again, I’m sorry, but what is Metzgers? A place?[/COLOR]
tocht: [butcher's daugher] alhier [from here]

Witnesses:
Jos.(ef) Finsterwald [lit: dark forest]
Mezger alhier [butcher from here]
u.
Joh.(ann) Pritzl?
Schuhmacher [shoe maker] v.
Aholming